Duder said:

I noticed that all super white LED light in veg has caused weird growth, such as three fingered leaves. I’ve been experimenting with cob LEDs and currently that’s all I am using in Veg. I added some neutral white(4000k) to the mix and its remedied the problem. The addition of the red light should help you out.

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This plant was an ugly duckling having suffered through over use of Gibberlic Acid during seed cracking. The gifted seeds were old and not stored properly. It's a miracle she survived. So, I am curious to see whether the reveg will look more normal.

I have to work on my sprouting techniques myself. Ive never tried to revegg under LEDs yet. I have done it under t5s and there was always a week or so of super odd growth. The leaves almost look like they are from a tomato plant. I like your little set up. Ill have to keep en eye on your progress ;)

Out of frustration for my seeds I added a tiny amount of Gibberlic Acid yesterday. One of my seeds has cracked and another looks ready to, but so far none of the gifted seeds, which are parent seeds from which I pollinated one plant

I also took them out of the kitchen cabinet and placed them on top of the Quantum Bad Boy spine which is warm from the ballast

Recirculation Basics – Part 3
By Urban Garden Magazine ⋅ April 24, 2010 ⋅ Email This Post ⋅ Print This Post ⋅ Post a comment
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What all Hydroponic Growers Need To Know About Nutrient Recirculation

As we’ve learned in part 1 and part 2, in order to grow successfully in a hydroponic system, there are certain basics that always need to be kept in check: otherwise, plant performance inevitably suffers. After covering source water, nutrient and pH, world-renowned hydroponics expert Michael Christan breaks down the final ingredients of a healthy indoor growing environment: oxygen, light, temperature, humidity, air circulation and CO2.

Photos courtesy of AmHydro.

The 5 basics of recirculation and plant performance:

1. Pure source water
2. Balanced nutrient ions/anions (EC)
3. Optimum pH
4. Plentiful oxygen availability
5. Optimum light/temp/humidity/air circulation/CO2

The Importance of Oxygen
It’s obvious that loose, friable soil with organic matter and thriving microbes grows plants much better than tight, clay soil devoid of organic matter. The primary missing ingredient in the latter is air (oxygen) availability.

The air we breathe is composed of gasses: 78% nitrogen (N2), 21% oxygen (02), 0.9% argon (Ar) and 0.03% carbon dioxide (CO2). The one we’re focusing on in this article is oxygen. The action of microbes on organic matter in a loose soil produces air pockets as organic matter is mineralized. These oxygen pockets are crucial to the survival and rapid colonization of healthy microbial populations. When the organic matter in the soil is fully consumed by the microbes and plants have consumed all the minerals, oxygen becomes depleted and, if more organic matter is not reapplied, plant performance slows and pathogenic (anaerobic) microbes can colonize. This condition is best avoided.

In media-based recirculating systems, the O2 is in the media: e.g. rockwool, perlite, grow rocks. Plentiful air space is available even after water is drained from the media. Roots thrive in O2-rich pockets. They are able to produce prolific root systems and plentiful root hairs to increase surface area to better absorb available ions. This is the best reason for using media with porosity. Of course, flood and drain systems suck fresh air into the media when it drains, which is why it’s such a great irrigation system.

In water-based recirculating systems, NFT, DFT and Aeroponics, O2 availability is intrinsic to the design of the system. NFT is a flat-bottomed tube with a shallow nutrient stream moving slowly, keeping root hairs moist and absorbing O2 (see “NFT Gro-Tanks,” UGM009). Aeroponics is misting droplets of water, increasing the surface area many-fold for roots to grow prolific root hairs for ion absorption. It supersaturates the solution with O2. DFT uses air pumps and water temp to keep roots bubbled with 02 and oxygen rich.

The heart of a media-based or water-based recirculating system is the nutrient reservoir. This too requires oxygenation, especially when water temperatures rise. The use of air pumps and air stones on smaller reservoirs and pump-powered eductors (venturis) on larger reservoirs make a big difference in pathogen suppression (nasty fungi and bacteria don’t like O2). This agitation drives ethylene gas from the solution and increases the longevity of the nutrient. Be sure that, if there are reservoir lids, there’s room for air exchange with ambient air in the room or greenhouse. Many commercial growers use fresh outside air in their eductors to keep the nutrient solution optimum.

Dissolved Oxygen (DO) can be measured to determine solubility of oxygen in fresh water. Fresh water at 72°F (22°C) has a DO of 8.7 ppm; at 82°F (28°C) it drops to 8.1 ppm. Salt solutions are lower. As a rule of thumb, every increase of 1ppm in DO is equivalent to an 11°F (12°C) temp drop. The cooler the temp, the higher the DO. You don’t want cold water on plant roots, though. You want 72°F (22°C) water at your roots for most plants.

When we measured DO in our greenhouse reservoirs, we found that a 74°F (23°C) nutrient tank at an EC of 2 had a DO of 6.3 ppm (low because of salts and sitting still). When we turned on an eductor (venturi), which we do in ALL reservoirs, we received a reading of 7.6 ppm. BIG difference. That’s an increase of 1.3 ppm without changing temperature.

Then we add an in-line Mazzei injector in between the tank and the feeder pipe, which raises DO to 8.3 ppm. By the time the water had run down the NFT channel and 18 plants had their way with the O2, with some off-gassing occurring, there was an 8.1 ppm DO left in the nutrient solution going back to the reservoir. That’s what we’re after! Plants thrive at those DO levels. Makes ALL the difference.

Be careful: as water temperatures of salt solutions increase, you must mitigate by adding O2 in the reservoir as well as directly on the roots. If you can’t get the DO level up by mechanical means, then you will most likely require a water chiller, which is expensive but sometimes imperative. If you cannot bring water temps down or increase DO in the nutrient solution, your next action will be disease suppression or inoculating roots with beneficials to out-compete the pathogens that thrive in high temp, low DO water. If you do get a DO meter, get a good one. We use an Extech Model 407510.

Light
Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR) light is a fancy term for the wavelengths plants use to vibrate chloroplasts to power the engine of photosynthesis, a vaguely understood process in my opinion. It is said that PAR light is in the 400 to 700 nanometer wavelength range. No big deal if you’re outside or in a well-lit greenhouse. But if you are growing under HID light or using it as a supplement, it certainly is.

Color temperatures of lamps are measured in degrees Kelvin from a color rendering index (CRI). The blue/white side of the spectrum has higher Kelvin temp: 6000K-8000K (MH lamps). The yellow/red side of the spectrum has lower Kelvin temperature: 3000K (HPS lamps). As a rule, the higher the Kelvin temp, the more vegetative the growth. The lower Kelvin temps are used for supplemental and/or flowering light. Different bulbs have different combinations or blends of gasses for better PAR value. Plants can be finicky and prefer one blend of light more than another. Trial and error, sometimes, is the only way to find out what your plants really like.

High Intensity Discharge (HID) lamps produce light when the gases inside the fused alumina tube are heated to the point of evaporation by high voltage electricity. This process forces the metal gasses to throw off a barrage of photons partly in the PAR range. As the bulb burns over time, the metal gasses slowly change form and degrade out of the PAR range. It is not obvious, but plant performance can suffer from lack of the PAR light when there is no shortage of photons to the naked eye. To look at light as a possible limiting factor, keep track of the hours your bulbs have been burning. If you are over the recommended burn range as stated by the manufacturer, that could be what’s compromising your system. Rule of thumb with HPS bulbs is to replace them every 12 months, and MH bulbs every 9 months, with HPS burning 12 hour days, MH burning 18 hour days.

Outside it’s obvious what limits light, like trees. But in greenhouses, if the glazing is dirty, that’s a big deal and that situation just creeps up on you. Depending on what you’re growing and what time of year it is, a dirty film can cut out as much as 30% of available light. If you are using an 85% transmission film and have 30% attributed to dirt, that’s 55%, basically shade cloth. In situations where there is too much light and plants are unable to cope with the leaf temperatures or solar radiation, a white or metallic shade cloth is preferable to black, as black can radiate heat back down on the plant canopy. A simple mistake easily avoided by many growers in double poly greenhouses is that the inflation fan is pulling inside air in between the films, thereby creating moisture that blocks light. You can tell by the droplets in between the films, or a haze. It is always recommended to use outside air for inflation. Of course, all of this is dependent on location, latitude, geography, plant in cultivation and skill/experience of the grower. We cannot cover all those variables in a brief article.

Temperature
Plant response to temperature is pretty obvious. It’s visible. Plants stop growing when root temps hit 58°F (14°C). Air temp can actually be cooler than 58°F, but when roots are cool, growth slows and stops even when air temp increases. When temps are too high, say 95°F (35°C) plus, depending on RH, air flow, light, kind, size, and age of a plant, they may stop feeding and spend their energy evaporating water from their stomata to cool down. Temperature must be managed to keep plants transpiring and active in the sweet spot.

Most temp controllers are effective, turning on fans for increased air exchanges, but when temps are too hot outside, air conditioners must be used. As a variable, though, temperature control is straightforward. It’s common knowledge that insects like very consistent temperatures and no air movement. Find which temperatures are your best high and low, and vary them morning, daytime and night. Keep an inhospitable environment for the pests without sacrificing plant performance: another dance to master.

Humidity
The two ways of explaining humidity are relative humidity (RH) and vapor pressure deficit (VPD). Most people are familiar with RH and use hygrometers so, for the purposes of this article, I will use RH.

In my experience, this is the one variable that most growers need to be more aware of. The dance between temp/humidity directly affects transpiration rates as poor transpiration opens the plant organism to disease and mineral deficiencies.

RH is the amount of water vapor present in the air expressed as a % of the amount needed for saturation at the same temperature. Here’s what that means: if the humidity is too high, e.g. 95% at 75°F, plants cannot transpire or evaporate enough water to pull minerals up the vascular system even with stomata wide open. This usually results in calcium (Ca) deficiency (remember, Ca is a non-mobile element and must be constantly supplied to growing tips) and plant stress, which increases their vulnerability to fungal intrusion.

If humidity is too low, 50% at 75°F, stomata will open in an attempt to evaporate water because of the low pressure around the leaf, but then close up to conserve cell pressure in the leaf. Plants stress as they cannot take in CO2 with closed stomata and growth stops as the plant is just trying to survive without going into wilt (i.e. loss of leaf turgidity from which it’s difficult to recover). Again the plant is vulnerable to disease and insects. These two extremes points will create a high probability of crop loss.

As a rule, at 75°F (24°C), if RH is below 60% you must add moisture to get to 75% (which is ideal), but stay below 85% to avoid stress and disease. At 85°F (29°C), if RH is below 70% you must add moisture to get to 80% (which is ideal), but stay below 90% to avoid stress and disease. As temperature rises, air holds less moisture. Steer your plants within these parameters for optimum plant performance.

When RH is too low, use a fogger or humidifier coupled with outside air exchanges. When outside air is too warm and dry, you will have to use some form of air conditioner (if that is the only way) to drop the temperature to increase the moisture-holding capacity of the air.

When RH is too high, raise temperature to reduce moisture saturation of air coupled with outside air exchanges. If outside air has too high of an RH, you will need a dehumidifier to pull water out of the air.

Transpiration is king. Monitoring transpiration rates and keeping them optimum with temp/RH manipulation is crucial. If you are outside of the temp/RH safe zones and don’t use some mechanical method of bringing them under control, you will always be fighting the results of that variable being unchecked. This is where high quality environmental controllers come in handy

You can buy the most expensive nutrients, goodies and gadgets available to grow your crop, but if your plants are unable to transpire and you don’t know that, you had best learn quickly or get a day job

Air Circulation and CO2
No matter what kind of controlled environment you’re running, greenhouse or greenroom, air circulation is another key component that is often overlooked until mildew takes out your crop or your plants starve from lack of CO2. The great outdoors takes care of all this, but inside you have to provide the controls or fall prey to what you didn’t know you didn’t know.

Rule of thumb: 60 air exchanges per hour. Not only do you need to flutter your plants with gentle breezes from an oscillating fan or horizontal air flow (HAF) fans in a greenhouse, but you must freshen the air with air exchanges from outside, taking advantage of the 385 ppm ambient CO2. The raw materials that PAR light makes into carbohydrates are CO2 and H2O. CO2 furnishes the carbon and oxygen, while water furnishes the hydrogen for the carbohydrate (CH2O).

If air exchanges are frequent, 385 ppm CO2 is plenty unless you’re looking to accelerate growth by enriching your space with higher levels to, say, 1500 ppm CO2. Even if you are adding CO2, you still must exchange air. There are numerous ways to provide CO2: chemical reactions, gas bottles, gas generators and a variety of controllers and monitors depending on the size of the operation. For the purpose of this article, you just need to know that it is a basic component of the indoor growing environment, and be mindful that it’s always available. Without CO2, plants will not grow.

One of my teachers, Grenville Stocker in NZ, took me into one of his client’s lettuce/herb greenhouses and asked me, “Would you get a chair, sit down, read a book or hang out in here all day?” Actually, it was way too moist, not enough air movement, my shirt was sticky, and it was uncomfortably warm. I said, “No way.” He remarked, “How do you think those plants feel? The same way, I reckon, except they can’t leave.” Then he showed me powdery mildew in certain areas, a thrip infestation and tip burn in some of the lettuces. The plants did not look vital, they looked stressed. I noticed the HAF fans were down, because of a blown breaker that the grower had been meaning to fix for a week. He had an RH monitor but no controller to check humidity and spill air or add heat … AND he was doing only 1 air exchange per hour because it was cold outside. He wanted to keep temps up inside without turning on the heat, which would cost him money. I looked at the RH: it was 95%. Temp was 80°F but it felt like 90°F because of the humidity. His client was too busy to pay attention or take coaching, and he wasn’t even there. Grenville always tested me; he’d say, “What’s wrong with this picture?” Then he would point out a basic that was obvious once I saw it. Most problems were easy to correct once distinguished.

I found out later the grower lost 50% of his crop and the other 50% was barely marketable. Had he kept HAF fans working, increased his air exchanges and turned up the heat to drive off the humidity with the help of a controller, he would not have had crop and financial loss. Just that one error cost him a market: he couldn’t deliver, so a competitor moved in. The point I’m making is: don’t leave your plants in an environment you can’t handle being in yourself. Use meters and controllers, but always keep them honest by paying attention to what your skin says.

All the variables of light, temperature, humidity, air circulation and CO2 must dance together in a harmony that you must monitor and control to be successful and avoid crop loss. If you cannot distinguish which variable is out, you will be guessing what the problem is and perhaps taking actions that are detrimental. Next time a problem arises (which inevitably will happen) and you’re scratching your head as to what to do, go through this list and check off each one that you KNOW is in tolerance. These 5 basics could be what you didn’t know you didn’t know. Now that you do, dissect them and become competent with each one:

The 5 basics of recirculation and plant performance:
1. Pure source water
2. Balanced nutrient ions/anions (EC)
3. Optimum pH
4. Plentiful oxygen availability
5. Optimum light/temp/humidity/air circulation/CO2

For the content and experiences that allowed me to write these articles, I’d like to thank my teachers, Grenville Stocker (Stocker Hort), Jeff Broad (AutoGrow), Genaro Calabrese (ex partner), Grant Creevey (Accent Hydro) and all our clients and associates for sharing and being open to “figuring it out.” Controlled environment plant cultivation is infinitely beguiling; I am always learning a greater respect for being part of that process. Genaro’s motto: “Every plant, every day.”

Good luck and good growing.

Michael Christian, the president of American Hydroponics since 1984, is a hydroponic system designer and consultant to commercial growers worldwide.

How much h2o2 did you use to help the seeds crack?

Midwestjay said:

How much h2o2 did you use to help the seeds crack?

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I use 35% Food Grade

For a 3% dilution 11:1 water: H2O2

Being afraid of doing more harm than good, I err on the weak side

After following a thread on O2 saturation I bought these today at Bass Outdoor World. 3 cups with 2 tabs per cup $10.50. Said to last up to 9 hours, but does not say in how many gallons.

I placed one each under the 2 plants. The seedling has decent root development, whereas the reveg is sorely lacking in new root development, though it keeps growing buds, albeit very slowly

Damn, the plant under the SE 220 is already showing pistils

Gonna give it an extra hour of light to see whether I can slow flowering down for a few weeks

Also, I pinched the top to help with side branching

I've had leds for years now, and in my opinion, the only one that is reliable with respect to preventing pre-flower, is the solid blue spectrum.
Also, the vegetative growth under them, is second to none (with the exception of blue metal halide)...again, in my opInion.

Yesterday morning I decided to move forward, at least getting 2 of the young plants into my Mini Me F & D and under the SE 220

To do that I had to move the bucket plant under the hot5, which meant repositioning it sideways

The 2 plants were my biggest concern as there roots barely reach the flooded tote, but one day+ all seems well