Help with new nutes

[Malachi]

Ok so here is the scenario guys and gals. I am currently running an ebb and flow system with rockwool medium and GH Flora Nova nutes with FloraciousPlus, Liquid Koolbloom, and BigBud Powder. I had started to use some cal/mag early on in the flower cycle but plants started to show signs of nutrient burn so I backed off. I only added like 20ml to my 40 gallon res.

I am in the planning stages for my next run. These girls should be done around Feb. 19-20. I am growing Indiana Bubblegum right now and a strain I aquired VIA cutting that the guy calls 'stars." No idea what it is, but it is a great yeilder and an early finisher. I smells like citrus and has tons of resin production with very little hairs.

Ok so for my next grow I am going to use 6" pots filled with a mix of either coco/hydroton or coco/perilite. I am building a custom tray that will be 2.5 ft X 4.5 ft. I plan on packing in 45 clones for a SOG and flower them after a 1 week veg. I am gonna use dual 430W EYE Hort. lights to give me 76W/ sq.ft.

This will be my new nutrient lineup.

FloraNova Grow / Bloom
Floacious Plus
Liquid Kool Bloom
KoolBloom Powder
Cal/Mag
Hygrozyme
Roots Excelerator

I am very inexperienced with the bottom 3 so I am in need of suggestions on how much to give, and at what stage in flowering. Thanks for the time. -Malachi

 

[Jalisco Kid]

Why would you use flora plus on your grow? JK

 

[Malachi]

Floacious Plus? I was just going with the recommended feed chart by General Hydro. I guess its supposed to have trace elements. I only use 1ml per gallon.

 

[Jalisco Kid]

If they have not changed the recipe it flavors your herb, something I do not understand. Why grow crappy weed that needs to be flavored.JK
If I used something I would need to know what it does,otherwise you will not grow.

 

[Malachi]

Ok so I will cut out the Floacious Plus from the regiment. I have never experienced it tasting like anything, but then again I usually do a 14-day flush.

 

[Malachi]

Ok so here is the feed chart that I came up with for my next grow. I am going to still use the floracious plus because I have always had good results with it, and have never experienced a taste. I flush once a week with florakleen, and run molasses and water the last 7-14 days depending on the way the plants look. So here it is, comments are encouraged because this is the first time I am incorporating a few of these nutes. This schedule is for a 1 week veg, and a 9 week flower. (63 day)

 

[Jalisco Kid]

Don't do that, I was asking a question. I would call them and ask what is in it.Maybe you need that to keep a rounded formula. I doubt it though. My rule of thumb is never listen to a small amount of growers and always know why you put something in your rez. JK

 

[Malachi]

Oh, ok I got ya. I know on the bottle it says N-P-K of 2-0.8-0.02 and it says derived from: vegetable protein hydrolysate, potassium sulfate. Also contains non-plant food ingredients 2% Humic Acid derived from micronized leonardite. 20% Sea Kelp derived from ascophyllum nodosum. Here is a table from the feed, fertilizer, livestock, and drugs regulation site that has a little more info on the ingredients. I don't see any trace metals at all though.

 

[Malachi]

Here is also a link to for anyone who wants to know what percentage of Cal/Mag and other secondary or trace elements are in General Hydropinics fertilizers. I found out that the FloraNova fertilizer that I use has 4% Cal and 2% Mag, thanks JK for opening up my eyes and actually looking more in depth at my nutes. Muchos gracious brah!

 

[kushpheen]

Hey malachi I can tell you the roots excelerator is dilluted at 1.1 ml per gallon and is only used until the 3rd week of flowering. The house&garden algen works great with the excelerator and they just made a new concentrated formula that dilutes at 1-2 ml per gallon, again that product is only used til the 3rd week of flowering, if you choose to add it.

 

[Malachi]

Hey malachi I can tell you the roots excelerator is dilluted at 1.1 ml per gallon and is only used until the 3rd week of flowering. The house&garden algen works great with the excelerator and they just made a new concentrated formula that dilutes at 1-2 ml per gallon, again that product is only used til the 3rd week of flowering, if you choose to add it.

Thanks
kushpheen for the insight. Yea in my new nute schedule above I have the roots excel until the 4th week in flower. I have heard 3 and 5 so I figured until 4 on a 10 week strain would be good lol

 

[CAPO]

It sounds like you've done some homework and I like your low numbers for the Nova series (those salts are way strong); especially for a strain like the Bubblegum.

I'm not sold on the floraliscious plus and I'm in soil. Humic acid is pretty much a soil conditioner for the most part and it doesn't chelate well at low ph. The potassium sulphate is present to assist the humic in breaking down other nutrients. So basically, the only thing benefiting your plants would be the 20% sea kelp. I would be curious as to what a GH rep would say about using the floraplus at a low ph in rockwool.

Here's a link describing what I mean:


Take a look at GH's new General Organics line. I think they have 2 new sea products out. If you are after those type of micros, I think they would be more bang for the buck.

 

[Malachi]

Thanks Capo, my next grow is going to be a 50/50 of hydroton and coco, with about a 1" hydroton base. I am trying to find some information on nutrient uptake throughout the PH range. I always set my PH at 5.5 and let it climb up until about 5.9 for max nutrient consumption. My gut tells me that maximum nitrogen uptake is on the more acidic side of the PH scale at about 5.5-5.6 where as P-K like a little higher PH for maximum uptake at about 5.8-5.9. Do they make a chart that shows this that anyone knows of? Thanks for the link BTW, I checked it out and found it very informative. Maybe I will give GH a call later in the afternoon and see what they have to say about the Floracious +

 

[CAPO]

I'm in dirt like I said so I start high and end low.

Being in hydro you should be more concerned about what your run-off is compared to your rez. If the plants are eating a lot of nutes then the ph rises. If your getting a lot of transpiration the ph goes down. This fluctuates as it's needs change.
You would be best to start your ph at your low setting and let it drift upward till it gets uncomfortable to you, say 6. Then after 10 days or so do your res change and a flush. This would span you through the array so no one nutrient will become too dominant causing a lock out.
There is a map out there but I don't have it bookmarked.

Let me know what GH says if you speak to them. I pretty much have everything they sell minus the nectars.

 

[Malachi]

Will do, I am on EST so I will give them a call about 12 my time. 9 Cali time. I am switching to drain to waste on my next run, I am running recirculating right now and its a pain in the ass. Res. changes and trying to get an accurate run off sample can be a pain. This is the first forum I have been a member of, and even though I have been growing for years I have found myself limited to what I have taught myself. Its very humbling to see different grow techniques, different nutes used, it has really opened my eyes.

 

[Malachi]

Ok so I found this chart, and after doing further research I found it to be very accurate. This chart is for hydroponic garden with inert medium. Hope it helps on understanding nutrient lockout levels a little better.
Nute LockOut PH Ranges
(N) - 4.5-5.0
(P) - 6.0-8.5
(K) - 4.0-4.5, 6.0-6.5
(Mg) - 2.0-5.7
(Ca) - 2.0-5.3
(Zn) - 5.7-8.5
(Fe) - 2.0-3.5
(S) - 2.0-5.5
(Mn) - 2.0-4.5
(B) - 2.0-5.0
(Cu) - 6.5-9.0
(Mo) - 2.0-5.5

 

[homebrew420]

Floralicious Plus is a fulvic humic acid base with growth excelorators, "flavor enhanceers", and works pretty well. These nute are great. follow the chart and you will be well taken care of. You keep a close eye and then later make ajustments if you don't like what you seen.
but you will.

Peace

 

[Malachi]

I called general hydroponics yesterday and spoke with a "specialist." He told me that Floracious Plus is a blend of Humic Acid and hormones that are designed specifically to work in conjunction with Flora and FloraNova series nutrients. I think he was shocked when I asked him to be more specific about the hormones and told him that besides the N-P-K values on the bottle there is no Secondary nutrients (calcium, magnesium, and sulfur) and no traces of micro nutrients and/or heavy metals. He couldn't tell me specifically what hormones there were in the fertilizer, but told me that they were derived from Seaweed Kelp, and went on about how seaweed leads a very stressful existance and they produce mass amounts of hormones to combat stress. After talking to him it seems like he didn't really know to much about the products spefics, but I am under the impression that GH spent a lot of time and research in the development of this supplimental fertilizer. That being said, for 30 bucks a bottle, and the extreme concentration of the product (only 1ml per gallon) is enough to convince me to keep it in my line up for now. In the future I may do a side by side test with and without it, but for now I think I will just use it. I have had good results with the combination in the past.

 

[kushpheen]

Thanks
kushpheen for the insight. Yea in my new nute schedule above I have the roots excel until the 4th week in flower. I have heard 3 and 5 so I figured until 4 on a 10 week strain would be good lol

Hey I don't have my H&G feeding schedule handy but I think your right about 4 weeks with the roots xcl on a 10 week strain. Roots xcl is so expensive though, I would try and cut it out as early as possible..

 

[resinryder]

Personally I'd back the CalMag down to 2 ml/gallon in veg and bump it to 3 ml/gallon in bloom. If needed it can be bumped up from there. I've found very, very few strains that need more than 3 ml/gallon in bloom.