Help With Room?

[jcw1987]

So its not my first grow, but I wouldn't say I know the most. heres my basic set up



8x12x8 room

4x 1kw DE air cooled (I have no problems with this I believe)

2x fans osculating

14,000 btu AC with separate intake and exhaust piping



My lights are separated for equal lighting



The problem im having is quality/size. if I rated my buds quality wise it would be 6.5-7 out of 10. size is 6-6.5. Im not having airy buds or full of sugar leaves and while my temps do get kind of high sometimes(super hot outside) I usually can keep it around 85-90 while lights on.



I use fox farms nutrients(everyone besides flower kiss) on their own regiment provided. I used to use fox farms ocean forest soil but recently changed to Promix HP BioFungicide + Mycorrhiazae. I also recently started using a root growth powder that the name escapes me.





when done flowering I usually get 1-1.5oz per but it tends to be smaller buds. I have done the Lollipopping technique but nothing changed size wise only quanity dropped.



my Mother stem always seems smaller than it should be, same with all branches. I just don't know what im suppose to do to grow the mother stem.

I tend to keep the lights around 7 feet(the glass) I can adjust but I never have.


any advice would be appreciated.

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

Hmm some more details are needed before I can help you let's start with your vegg method
#1 do you grow from clone or seed?
#2 distance of lighting from plant canopy ?
#3 what is your training method during vegg if you have one?
#4 what is your light cycle for vegg (time on/off)
#5How long do you typically vegg before flowering?
#6 how long does your room stay at those extreme temperatures during the day
#7 what is the low temperature at nite?
#8 do you preform a full flush before flipping?


Get back to me on those ??? and then we can work on it a little bit try and work out any kinks then move on to some questions about your flowering methods and hopefully others will join in as well with their experiences so we can get you on the road to success :pompous:

 

[G gnome]

Thats a lot of light for a small rm. I bet you dont have a fresh air intake? Am i right? If so thats ur prob.
How many different strains u running? Is this the case w all of them?
Get those temps down even if it means maybe switching ur ballast to half strength 75 deg is ideal. Nothin over 80 imo
General health of plants? Pics are a big help
The closer ur light is thebigger and denser ur buds are. Keep the glass clean.
Per plant weight means nothing. Its about grams per watt.

 

[jcw1987]

1. I definitely start from a clone
2. Well when vegging under t5s I try to stay 12-18 inches, when I bring into flower my plants are usually 3ish feet and the 1000w DE are roughly 7 feet from glass to ground.
3. Sadly I'm fairly new I just learned how to top and lollipop last crop. Topped too late about 1 week from flower and lollipopped a week into flower. I know both of those were wrong times now and that will change.

4. Veg is 18/6 unless I have baby clones that are barely rooted then it's 24 under t5s

5.i try for 8 weeks, sometimes more as I want to be 3 feet plants.

6. If it's hot it's probably 4-5 hours before it can get cool to the right area (right around 85)

7. I've never checked temp at night because I don't want light in there, I leave the ac on for about an hour (timered) after lights are off. I'd say atleast 70 throughout most of the night. Not too much cooler or hotter but I've never checked so that's a guess.

8. I've never heard to do this before. I flush at the end before I crop but the nutrient schedule I use just goes from 1 week on 18 hour to next week 12 hour. Never a skip in nutrients.

 

[G gnome]

Get a high/low hygrometer so u dont have to go in there during the dark cycle

 

[jcw1987]

Thats a lot of light for a small rm. I bet you dont have a fresh air intake? Am i right? If so thats ur prob.
How many different strains u running? Is this the case w all of them?
Get those temps down even if it means maybe switching ur ballast to half strength 75 deg is ideal. Nothin over 80 imo
General health of plants? Pics are a big help
The closer ur light is thebigger and denser ur buds are. Keep the glass clean.
Per plant weight means nothing. Its about grams per watt.

I was under the assumption the ac was fresh air? Being it's directly piped to outside for intake and exhaust, but no I do not have an intake fan, would I need to pull it from outside or would it be possible to just pull from garage? Rooms are built inside of garage but exhaust is either dryer vents or through the roof.

I usually run between 2-4 strains all similar issues none ever get airy though.

How close can my double endeds be without causing problems? I'll turn the wattage down if that will help without a doubt.

My best so far was 35 plants 4 strains Right at about 4lbs. I want to cut down on amount of plants because it was crowded. I would like to be at most 24

 

[jcw1987]

Get a high/low hygrometer so u dont have to go in there during the dark cycle

I actually have that and never have looked at the low. I'll check it tomorrow.

 

[G gnome]

Damn I'm good. No thats not fresh air. That doesn't bring any new air in the rm. Thats a closed loop.
If ur growing out 5' trees and only getting 1.5 thats a problem

 

[G gnome]

You dont want more than a 12 difference between day and night.
Your plants are starving for fresh air bro

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

I don't agree with that @G gnome I think he is dead on with amount of lighting per sq foot. He could stand to switch to dual arc bulbs tho. And i would never ever put fresh air intake in a room with that big of ac complete waste of power and you risk more chance at bug issues you really need to get that temp down way down try switch your lights to run at nite if you are not already. And make sure you check your tops every week to see if the are ready to be topped I suggest taking a look at mainline topping in general growing in here

 

[jcw1987]

I'll vent in fresh air tomorrow. Hopefully I notice an improvement. Thanks for that

 

[jcw1987]

Well maybe I'll hold out lol

 

[G gnome]

Again dont cocern yourself with grams per plant its all about grams per watt.
Everyone says keep your de's 36". Not me as long as it doesn't create heat issues go as close as possible. I got mine a 12" from canopy

 

[G gnome]

Good luck bro any questions feel free to ask. Hope i helped g

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

Your room gets plenty of fresh air bro your ac pulls in air to cool the unit inside itself and it's not very sealed go take a look in the back it has a squirl fan and vents in the back or bottom and just walking in and out of a room can increase the CO2 (cuz this is what plants breath not air/oxygen what they produce alot of) by as much as 200ppm and being in your room for a few minutes can be as much as 400 ppm what is happening is not so far off fom what you say tho G they are suffocating but not from lack of oxygen or CO2 in the room tho if you can afford it get a co2 unit (pref not a burner) your main issues are heat stress and lacking in light and nutes when your plants get in the 85+ temperature they stop growing and breathing in an attempt to prevent water loss as they feel they are heading for a drought plants also will have adverse effects to your lights being so far from them it's not sunlight and they will reach for it to no end hence your very thin stalks some stretch is good actually desired but too much is very bad for them as G said it's not grams per plant it is always gram per watt and if u Wana get crazy you can add in per sq foot to see what your really getting (but who dose that)

 

[G gnome]

Thanks by the way for being respectful. Its all too often that when 2 ppl disagree round here it turns into a pissing contest. Though i respect your opion i still disagree. If i am wrong then how did i guess completely outta nowhere lol hmmm. JK

Your room gets plenty of fresh air bro your ac pulls in air to cool the unit inside itself and it's not very sealed go take a look in the back it has a squirl fan and vents in the back or bottom and just walking in and out of a room can increase the CO2 (cuz this is what plants breath not air/oxygen what they produce alot of) by as much as 200ppm and being in your room for a few minutes can be as much as 400 ppm what is happening is not so far off fom what you say tho G they are suffocating but not from lack of oxygen or CO2 in the room tho if you can afford it get a co2 unit (pref not a burner) your main issues are heat stress and lacking in light and nutes when your plants get in the 85+ temperature they stop growing and breathing in an attempt to prevent water loss as they feel they are heading for a drought plants also will have adverse effects to your lights being so far from them it's not sunlight and they will reach for it to no end hence your very thin stalks some stretch is good actually desired but too much is very bad for them as G said it's not grams per plant it is always gram per watt and if u Wana get crazy you can add in per sq foot to see what your really getting (but who dose that)

I really think ull benefit from a lil fresh air. Just my opion

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

Now to the rest of your issues or concerns first off you said your lights are air cooled this is a lil vaug as you also mentioned glass does this mean they have vents in the side or holes for ducting if ducting are they ducted to the outside of the room and do you have a large enough in line fan to push that hot air out or jus plain ventilation no fan?

You need to check your nite temperature and compare your day Temps there should never be more than a 10-12 point difference in Temps this causes confusion and shock to your girls it's kinda like you wake up mid summer on a very hot day and go to bed in the middle to end of fall all in one day "plants use temperature to tell itself lots of things including when to flower and when to die so this is an important issue to deal with as well

 

[G gnome]

Agree w that fer sure lol

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

Well @G gnome One Thing I can certainly attest to when it comes to indoor gardening it is all about the personal grower and their techniques as to what works best so if two growers disagree with each other commonly neither of them is wrong because what will work for one could completely fail for another even when perfectly replicated so @jcw1987 be sure you take everything you read hear and anywhere else with a grain of salt growing is a constant learning process and it does not ever end gets easier but you will always be learning more and more as you go (coming from a 15yr dedicated grower) as for your guess it is vaug and uninformed as well as not exactly a blind guess lol but let's not bicker over something so remedial he can take the advice and run with it let's stay on track here (points at self) now I would like to make a suggestion tho jcw go out and buy some books and don't get George Cervantes bull spit get real books I will suggest a few here but most are extremely advanced so start off with the last one or pm me for a good list
Case in point is my first two

I have used this a few times as they outlaw more and more nute's in oregon

Now I know these are for hydroponics but that is only about 10% of what he talks about the majority of them is about how a plant Grows, feeds,chemical and organic compunds and how to properly measure them topping/training techniques, other compunds plants use or can be used only when your plant is sic or locked and tons more

You will most likely need this one to understand the last two lol I did

Now this next author Greg green is probably the up most athority in cannabis guides he makes sure you learn the history and the ancestry of the cannabis plant as well as the current crosses and their decoupling in detail before he even mentions cultivation this blew my mind as I didn't know 75% of this before reading it even after being trained by an old cali farmer in person for years he also has a freaking amazing book on breeding called the cannabis breeders bible also well worth a read

I can suggest a few others if your interested but for the sake of the thread I'll stop there

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

You should post some pictures as well. You know what the say pictures are worth a thousand words. As it could help us possibly identify other issues you are unaware of (assuming there are any) not to mention you would get more traffic in here with a lil bud porn ;) Hope this has been helpful, keep us posted. Feel free to ask us anything I and half or better other growers here won't miss lead you if we don't know it well say so and those who do/will are usually quickly challenged for proof of facts and disproved. Happy farming and Jah bless