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Bottom line is if it doesn't passes (sic) the Feds will view this as the general public does not want marijuana legal in our state! If it does pass we will have a better chance that the feds will reduce marijuana form (sic) it's schedule 1 status seeing it has majority support of the people...
I can understand if you live in a trailor (sic) park this may be how u (sic) were raised and how u (sic) are raising your kids but for the rest of us, we don't smoke weed infront (sic) of our kids nor would I want my kids to be doing the same thing I am doing...
What benefit does prop 19 have for Californians and more specifically, medical marijuana patients (as many forum goers here probably are)? What actual benefit are we drawing from 19 other than the entirely symbolic victory you perceive happening if it passes?
It's like the actual text of the bill doesn't matter as long as CNN calls it legalization.
This kind of insult has no place in this discussion. I don't have kids, but if I did I'd think I wouldn't smoke around my four year old but I'd like to think I could be honest with my sixteen year old. In the eyes of this law, there's no difference between them.
can we get this troll banned, again?
great fucking post backward z!
Id like to point out thats its no coincidence that Rickard Lee took down the Oaksterdam forums site right before he released the final version of the proposition. There was a mutiny with the organization and he didn't want his own employees voicing their concerns and distaste for his prop on a website he was paying for.
And there it is, you passing judgment upon someone because they might consume cannabis in the presence of a child. I don't hotbox my home, I don't drink, in fact I'm a teetotaler, I don't get baked and I never let my own behavior get out of control. But judgment passes upon *me* because I use the pipe if I should use it in the presence of a child?Bottom line is if it doesn't passes the Feds will view this as the general public does not want marijuana legal in our state! If it does pass we will have a better chance that the feds will reduce marijuana form it's schedule 1 status seeing it has majority support of the people... If it does pass... Let's be honest, everyones worried about the taxing... That's the real issue at steak... Oh no, I'm not going to get my 42 per bow... Oh no what do I do now... No ones coming to take your kids for smoking a joint, and honestly y are u smoking weed infront of your kids anyway??? I can understand if you live in a trailor park this may be how u were raised and how u are raising your kids but for the rest of us, we don't smoke weed infront of our kids nor would I want my kids to be doing the same thing I am doing...
I do have kids, now young adults (oldest son grows), and I already went through hiding everything from them and it meant not a thing. I have changed my stance and feel it should be treated like drinking wine at the table with dinner, an after work beer, cigarettes, and sex--it's something adults do, not children. End of story. Merely being in the presence of these substances, even while being consumed, is not inherently bad, evil, neglectful or abusive, with the highly notable exception of smoking tobacco, especially in enclosed spaces, cigarettes to be precise (I haven't seen the same numbers associated with pipe tobacco or cigar use and childhood illnesses as I have with ciggies).I don't have kids, but if I did I'd think I wouldn't smoke around my four year old but I'd like to think I could be honest with my sixteen year old. In the eyes of this law, there's no difference between them.
So, you guys really don't think that people could lose their children if the issue of their use of cannabis in the same home as them? Really?
... show me where in 215 there is language that says that if I smoke in the same house (not just room, anywhere in the building, and mine is 2400'sq) as my grandchild she can be removed from our care by the state. You can't because it's not there.
Beat your kids and leave 'em with bruises and cuts, you'll be investigated, but the kids won't be taken away.
But weed? I can guarantee you that it happens and Prop 19 attaches jail time to that.
Marijuana is still considered a street drug, that's why the language outlining jail time if there is *any* consumption on the same premises as children is there in the proposition.
I don't think you understand how, normally, the situation has to be pretty dire before the state will take any sort of action. Nor do I think you understand how right NOW people are being kept from their kids simply for being involved with pot, whether it be consumption or manufacture (growing), right here in California. I happen to know someone personally who can only have supervised visits with her kids, and she cannot initiate contact with them, not because she was ever abusive, but because she works for growers and her ex-husband uses the laws, state and local, for all they're worth.
You don't know what you're talking about. PERIOD.FEDERAL LAW TRUMPS STATE LAW. PERIOD.
I vote no because it makes criminals out of anybody under 21 who gets caught with pot - can you say mandatory jail time.
Under prop 19 if your in your house, and you have kids (or in my case my grand daughter is over) and you take a bong hit (even while the kids are asleep) then your a criminal.
Arguing with people in support of something you refuse to read for yourself is definitely trolling.
exhibit A - you believe kids will be taken away.
Neither does it say that in Prop 19. Quit makin' shit up. You're lying and fear-mongering. But go ahead and show me where it says that if you can ... but you can't because it's not there. Nice try.
Go ahead, cite the EXACT LANGUAGE that says that. You can't because it's not there (to quote you a second time).
And here, (Exhibit D) you convolute and undermine your own argument by stating that what Prop 19 will create (in you imagination), in fact, ALREADY EXISTS! Brilliant!!!
Seamaiden, it's time for you to take a long f-ing nap, because you're completely full of shit.
cite the section of Prop 19 that imposes mandatory jail time on minors. You can't. Doesn't exist. Another LIE
That's called a beatdown. :mooning
Still awaiting a real reason why to vote no.
I'm sure that's gonna be the new number one priority of the law to make sure minors aren't around second hand weed smoke.
Backward Z your post saying all but one lawyer is voting no is ridiculous. Firstly they don't tell you how to vote they simply answer questions and explain the prop to the client. Would you care to drop some names and credentials?
arguement you could bring to the table yet you are probably breaking more severe laws everyday already. Can you say hipocrit?
Still awaiting a real reason why to vote no.
(c) “Personal consumption” shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
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(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.
And if it gets no better/worse under 19, then why support it?
IMO it IS completely necessary at this point. I am sick and tired of all the accusations that people for Prop 19 haven't read it, when clearly I am not the one making up crap out of the ether. Pot, Kettle, black.Completely unnecessary. Let's keep it civil.
You're halfway correct about this. 19 doesn't make it a crime for minors to have pot--but it DOES make it a crime to furnish minors with pot and it makes it a crime for minors to grow their own. Under 215, as long as you had a rec, even if you were a minor, all of the above is fair game.
NORML. NATIONAL ORGANIZATION of RICH MARIJUANA LAWYERS.
Darth Fader must be one of Richard Lee's fluffers.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish,
administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment
in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to
furnish, administer or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years
of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be
fined up to $1,000 for each offense.
(d) In addition to the penalties above, any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform
any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized, negligently
furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell, any marijuana to any
person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or
enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.
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