Hermies and seeds

[CannaGas]

So I just wanted to have more knowledge regarding hermies and seeds. Would the seeds of a hermie plant be more likely to be a female or another hermie? Or is it an equal possibility. And what about the seeds of a regular female plant that was pollinated by a seperate hermie plant? Would those seeds be regular or female or hermie? Thanks in advance!

 

[MIMedGrower]

If there is no male chromosome they are feminized seeds.

 

[Ina]

I think it depends on the hermie.I would prefer to use hermie that was reverted on purpose by colloidal silver or somehow.If it hermied itself (especially in the early stages of growth and flowering)than I would avoid it for breeding(but I am just a pollen chucker from time to time,not some kind of profesionalist so I use regulars,these are just my thoughts on the subject).And with the hermie you pollinate another female.You could also pollinate the same plant.And i guess the seeds will be mostly female.....

 

[MIMedGrower]

I think it depends on the hermie.I would prefer to use hermie that was reverted on purpose by colloidal silver or somehow.If it hermied itself (especially in the early stages of growth and flowering)than I would avoid it for breeding(but I am just a pollen chucker from time to time,not some kind of profesionalist so I use regulars,these are just my thoughts on the subject).And with the hermie you pollinate another female.You could also pollinate the same plant.And i guess the seeds will be mostly female.....

If a reversed female pollinates a female or a female pollinates itself the seeds are feminized. There is a fraction of 1% that could turn out male but i have never seen it happen.

And if stress caused the reversal eliminating it can stop the reversal. And i have never had my own bagseed hermie when grown. All healthy females resulted.

 

[JWM2]

The gorilla sac punch im Growing was selfed from a stress induced hermie. A light leak created the pollen sacs. Even when stressed they have not shown pollen sacs through one round of growing. The stress was caused due to insufficient nutrients from switching soil mixes and fertilizing regimen.

Of course this is just one example but figured I’d share as I just finished the first round up and have the second pheno still drying in a rack. The first pheno was pretty damn good, I’ve got even higher hopes for the second. I’m still shocked at the varying genotype expression still present in selfed seeds. I’ve heard the resulting offspring will be more like the mom it came from yet I’ve seen quite a variation deviation in my testing.

 

[Ina]

Yes,now when you said it that way it is more acurate,it could hermie because of the gardener and the conditions,may be most of the times.:)And it could stop pulling nanners if you correct your conditions and problems.May be you have to be sure that you/your conditions caused it before you use it for parent.

 

[Jimster]

Basically, if the herm condition was brought about by stress of some sort, the herm characteristic is most likely NOT genetic, although the propensity for turning herm under stress might be passed along. If it didn't turn herm for no apparent reason, you will probably be fine. In all cases, though, a seed produced by a herm plant will always be a female with a VERY rare chance of it not being female, although I personally have never seen it happen. If there aren't any male chromosomes, the plant can't be a genetic male. That doesn't mean that it can't produce flowers, as you know.

 

[CannaGas]

Thanks for the feedback everybody! I’ll check to see if there are any light leaks to prevent my other plants from herming. But is there a way to prevent the hermie plant from releasing its pollen? I’m trying to achieve sensimilla but since my plant hermied that complicated things.

 

[Jimster]

Thanks for the feedback everybody! I’ll check to see if there are any light leaks to prevent my other plants from herming. But is there a way to prevent the hermie plant from releasing its pollen? I’m trying to achieve sensimilla but since my plant hermied that complicated things.

The only way is by pulling any flower sacks that you might find. If it didn't herm too badly, you might till get your sensi! :)

 

[CannaGas]

The only way is by pulling any flower sacks that you might find. If it didn't herm too badly, you might till get your sensi! :)

Oof that’s the thing tho. There’s a lot of sacks. I think it’s still a bit early and hopefully some of them might turn out to be pistils. All the flowers at the top side of the plant too and I’m a bit worried that taking them off might stress the plant too much.

 

[Jimster]

Oof that’s the thing tho. There’s a lot of sacks. I think it’s still a bit early and hopefully some of them might turn out to be pistils. All the flowers at the top side of the plant too and I’m a bit worried that taking them off might stress the plant too much.

Stressing the plant isn't good, but since it already hermed, what is the worst that could happen now? You could always try to isolate it if you have the room or facilities. Are you sure that it is as heavily hermed as you think it is? I didn't think I saw too many sacks on your previous post pictures, but my eyes aren't s good as they used to be.

 

[CannaGas]

Stressing the plant isn't good, but since it already hermed, what is the worst that could happen now? You could always try to isolate it if you have the room or facilities. Are you sure that it is as heavily hermed as you think it is? I didn't think I saw too many sacks on your previous post pictures, but my eyes aren't s good as they used to be.

I only took pics of the female flowers but those were all the pistols I’ve seen. The rest of the nodes and side branches have small clusters of sacks in groups of 2-4. Maybe some of them will turn out to be small under developed pistils hopefully. I remember thinking this plant was a male because it had small sacks for preflowers but it turned out to be a hermie which is slightly better in my opinion. I guess for now time will tell how bad or good situation is.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Light leaks are not the biggest stressor in my opinion. Nutrient and heat stress are for indoor plants.

I think we need to see the pics of these hermie plants. They sound like males.

 

[chemistry]

I took some seeds from a hermie plant, and every seed hermed, I assumed the hermie mother passed on this trait, the seeds were feminised that grew the original plant, the seeds I took from it all hermed, I binned the rest.

 

[MIMedGrower]

I took some seeds from a hermie plant, and every seed hermed, I assumed the hermie mother passed on this trait, the seeds were feminised that grew the original plant, the seeds I took from it all hermed, I binned the rest.

If every seed hermied you had a stress causing it. The odds that every seed would reverse from genetics are astronomical.

 

[chemistry]

If every seed hermied you had a stress causing it. The odds that every seed would reverse from genetics are astronomical.

It was an Aurora Indica, I grew it with two other plants, the other plants were fine, I was surprised that it was the Aurora that hermed, as I've found it's normally a really stable strain.

I took about a thimble full of seeds, I grew 5 in consecutive grows along side 2 other plants, all five hermed, so I binned the rest of the seeds.

 

[MIMedGrower]

It was an Aurora Indica, I grew it with two other plants, the other plants were fine, I was surprised that it was the Aurora that hermed, as I've found it's normally a really stable strain.

I never grew one but i would think that strain was well bred too. Its an old one. Im just saying if every s-1 seed from her hermied there has to be a reason. And genetic reversal on every seed is highly unlikely.

I hermed my first blue lemon thai but the rest of the seeds in the pack grew fine amd the cuttings i took never reversed either.

Grower error on my part. They dont like too much nutrients and i was too new to see i was pushing her. Just an example.

 

[chemistry]

I never grew one but i would think that strain was well bred too. Its an old one. Im just saying if every s-1 seed from her hermied there has to be a reason. And genetic reversal on every seed is highly unlikely.

I hermed my first blue lemon thai but the rest of the seeds in the pack grew fine amd the cuttings i took never reversed either.

Grower error on my part. They dont like too much nutrients and i was too new to see i was pushing her. Just an example.

The other seeds in the original packet were fine, it was the seeds from the hermed plant that carried on herming, or maybe I picked the five crap ones from the bunch. lol