Sorry for the multiquote, what you've mentioned from the beginning of this thread has me beyond interested in following suit as I'm not your typical grower/stoner type. I'm about data, and finding solutions to problems; this plant offering a lot that has yet to be analyzed through real empirical data analysis.
Couldn't agree more, welcome to the fray
What metrics are you capable of tracking? Where is the data stored, and how can one be certain it hasn't been tampered with? The tools for measurement, are they industry standard and thoroughly tested to confirm that they are returning data within tolerable error margins?
So this is where it gets a little dicey. I started this whole project with the thought I would control and track everything:
Lights
CO2
Temp
RH
PH
Nutes
Res Temp
with the ability to do more as needed. I could not find a device that met my needs, so I built one. Ver 1.0 was a 5.5" TFT touch with a 3d printed shell and parts that used a
Raspberry Pi 4 as the core. I made the decision of using Bluetooth to connect to sensors, etc and that was a mistake. I think the metal on the walls of the tent was blocking signals intermittently. Not bad, but enough that I was not impressed. So I took that system down and 2.0 is on the bench. It is using a 10.1" TFT now (5.5 was too small for the amount needed to be displayed without having to dive thru a bunch of menus) and I am using I2C thru ethernet cables to connect. This should be much more stable and usable.
That said, I kinda got a bit on my plate, so it is not on the front burner. All of the set points above are in fact controlled, but there is no data storage capability with off the shelf products. I'll get you a pic tonight to help better explain.
Ultimately, I think the results we are looking for are primarily in the genes, not the environment so that has been my focus as of late. Not that this information is not useful, I have just changed my viewpoint based on the experience of others and feedback on this thread.
I don't mean to come off as doubtful or combative. I am a software engineer, and data is a huge component of what I do, so this offering intrigues me while throwing a flag as a tall ask -- without verifiable controls, statistics are easily manipulated to serve anyone's purpose. In the context of this discussion thread, there are potentially hundreds if not thousands of influences leading to definitive answers of "this plus that plus the other lead to X."
You Dick!
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I started my career fresh out of college (RIT in Rochester NY) as an electrical engineer. I worked at Kodak in the R&D labs. After about 8 years, I saw the need to get into SW, so I went back for Comp Sci.
I do this because I can, and because it pleases me. I'll share any data I have with anyone who wants it, and if they don't believe it or think I am fudging numbers, OK. But I can't for the life of me think of a reason to do so. I'd be cheating myself, for what exactly? It's not like I am getting paid to find a certain number or out to prove a specific point - I'm just trying to figure this stuff out and there is no benefit to lying to yourself.
I'm further intrigued by this. I have four patients that I'm working on something similar. Given human physiology, and the watering down of the gene pool of cannabis at this point, I'm curious to hear more about what you've learned in this regard, and if you've correlated different variations of sativa-to-indica dominance for each medicinal application.
Now I hope I don't sound like a dick, but the sativa / indica debate is completely misleading. These 2 words should be all but erased from our vernacular. I'll dig up a link on that later.
Is this application publicly available? I'd be curious to review the source code if it's FOSS, otherwise I'm hesitant to introduce this to those I provide for as I'm highly data privacy conscious.
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Further, without double blind testing, it's not truly valid test results -- this comes from decades of university research and confirmation bias playing a huge role in the test administer driving their hypothesis to the conclusions they want, not the conclusions that are there.
Yes, for me it is. I do all this for one little lady, and when she is happy, I know I did the right thing. I do not intend to let this project scope creep to the point that it is all things to all people, I just don't have the resourses or the skills. It's just me and my internet buddies here. I have no way to implement a proper double blind study.
Now, I did speak to
@amekins early on and she has some experience along these lines of clinical trials. I am totally open to supporting any effort like that should one get charted out by the smart folks with medical / clinical background. I don't know how that would work exactly, on this part I'll be a supporter not a leader.
Like I said, I hope I'm not coming across as a total a-hole; I just trust data, and the more of it, the better. Feedback you can offer on the points I brought up would be great! You're doing some awesome stuff from what I've read!
I value the direct approach. You are welcome any time to put in your thoughts and more importantly call me out when you see I am doing something wrong. I'd love a Chemist, a Botanist, and an MD to all participate here, without them we will have to rely on each other for error correcting. You will find I am more open minded than your average bear and internalize feedback carefully. I promise to look past the word choice (for anyone) and try to get to the meaning. And yes, I love that motherfucker Samuel Jackson so bring that energy and I'll smirk when I read you!
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