Higher ppm in run off.

Willisbrow · Nov 24, 2022

Okay. Sorry I’m sure this has been discussed before but I didn’t want to search old threads.
So I got three different plants in 7 gallon pots with fox farms ocean forest. They have been in those pots for about 6 weeks now.
I put them into flower on November 18th.
I fed today with 2tsp micro 2tsp bloom 2tsp grow and 2tsp cal/mag. PPM was around 1050.
Two of my plants(pic 1 and 2) had a run off of 1430ish and they both don’t look that happy.
The third plant looks fine (pic 3)and had a run off PPM of 1270

This is my first time using a PPM tester(I’m very new to this growing thing)
PH was 6.6
Is something going on in my soil with the first plants to have such a high run off?

Any ideas.
Thanks!!

Observationist · Nov 24, 2022

Pictures?

It’s a bunch of shit that hasn’t broken down and isn’t available to the plant, (organics).

Willisbrow · Nov 24, 2022

I posted pics.

Observationist · Nov 24, 2022

I think you’re fine.

Might not need to feed the next watering.

NorthernOrganics · Nov 24, 2022

If growing organically in soil you shouldn't have to monitor pH as the soil microlife will regulate the pH and make nutrients available to the roots as needed. That being said, you are feeding a bottled nutrient regimen. This is kind of a hybrid style and can cause issues like lockouts and soil toxicity because of the added pH up/down. You can mitigate this by watering with run off.

Willisbrow · Nov 24, 2022

I’ve been having issues with my plants for a while. Here is a pic from a month ago after I took clones. She was looking green and happy. Now sad and droopy

Same plant about a month apart.

Willisbrow · Nov 24, 2022

NorthernOrganics said:
If growing organically in soil you shouldn't have to monitor pH as the soil microlife will regulate the pH and make nutrients available to the roots as needed. That being said, you are feeding a bottled nutrient regimen. This is kind of a hybrid style and can cause issues like lockouts and soil toxicity because of the added pH up/down. You can mitigate this by watering with run off.

What do u mean watering WITH run off?

NorthernOrganics · Nov 24, 2022

Bottled nutes will build up unused salts in the soil, causing toxicity. Your soil microlife is probably dead and you are essentially growing hydro with soil being your medium (not ideal). You need to flush unused nutrients out of the medium and replace with a balanced nutrient solution. So, water with a balanced nutrient solution until you get 20% runoff out the bottom of the container. What brand of nutes?

Observationist · Nov 24, 2022

NorthernOrganics said:
If growing organically in soil you shouldn't have to monitor pH as the soil microlife will regulate the pH and make nutrients available to the roots as needed. That being said, you are feeding a bottled nutrient regimen. This is kind of a hybrid style and can cause issues like lockouts and soil toxicity because of the added pH up/down. You can mitigate this by watering with run off.

The bottled FF stuff is just liquid fertilizer and not salts, not readily absorbed , I thought, to amend the FF soil.

Or do I have this completely wrong

Used ff and ff nutrients on first grow

That shit is a thick dark creamy liquid

Foxfarm grow and bloom

And watering till run off water occurs to leech some out, but now I see the other plant that looks nitrogen deficient

NorthernOrganics · Nov 24, 2022

Or add organics back into the soil.

Willisbrow · Nov 24, 2022

NorthernOrganics said:
Bottled nutes will build up unused salts in the soil, causing toxicity. Your soil microlife is probably dead and you are essentially growing hydro with soil being your medium (not ideal). You need to flush unused nutrients out of the medium and replace with a balanced nutrient solution. So, water with a balanced nutrient solution until you get 20% runoff out the bottom of the container. What brand of nutes?

I’m using general hydroponics. 3 part

NorthernOrganics · Nov 24, 2022

Willisbrow said:
I’m using general hydroponics. 3 part

All salt. You need to treat your soil like inert pro mix from now on if you are going to continue the bottled nutes. 20% runoff.

Willisbrow · Nov 24, 2022

NorthernOrganics said:
Bottled nutes will build up unused salts in the soil, causing toxicity. Your soil microlife is probably dead and you are essentially growing hydro with soil being your medium (not ideal). You need to flush unused nutrients out of the medium and replace with a balanced nutrient solution. So, water with a balanced nutrient solution until you get 20% runoff out the bottom of the container. What brand of nutes?I

NorthernOrganics said:
All salt. You need to treat your soil like inert pro mix from now on if you are going to continue the bottled nutes. 20% runoff.

I have only fertilized three times with the bottle nutes so I don’t think there would be enough salt build up to cause any problems.
But that’s just a guess

NorthernOrganics · Nov 24, 2022

Are you adding pH up/down to your watering?

Willisbrow · Nov 24, 2022

NorthernOrganics said:
Are you adding pH up/down to your watering?

I’m using PH up.

NorthernOrganics · Nov 24, 2022

You've fertilized three times. How often do you water?

Willisbrow · Nov 24, 2022

About every 4 days.
2 feeding watering, then one with just water and cal mag. Then the last time was today with nutes.
Prior to this I was just using water with my soil.

NorthernOrganics · Nov 24, 2022

PH up with every watering? Are you watering to runoff?

NorthernOrganics · Nov 24, 2022

It's all salts. The pH up, cal mag, nutes. It all builds up if the plant doesn't use it. PH up is mostly potassium salts. Cal mag isn't usually needed if using tap water. If no runoff, toxicity occurs

Willisbrow · Nov 24, 2022

NorthernOrganics said:
It's all salts. The pH up, cal mag, nutes. It all builds up if the plant doesn't use it. PH up is mostly potassium salts. Cal mag isn't usually needed if using tap water. If no runoff, toxicity occurs

This last watering I used 4 gallons for 3 plants and got a bunch oh run off The other times I only used 2 gallons for the three plants and got hardly any runoff.
Maybe that’s one of the issues I’m having. I will see how they look in a few days.

Thanks !

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