[tricometester]

Ok, so I flipped a few days ago. Changed my food and fed last night. It looks to me like it was to strong. I mixed a bit under specs.
Next time 1/2 strength. Flush it? Please help ; (

 

[2Bad]

Ok first off don't panic flush it yet. Let's see what people say.

 

[2Bad]

@GreenGalaxyFarm @Buzzy12

 

[tricometester]

Ok first off don't panic flush it yet. Let's see what people say.

I’ve gone fishing with my 2-sons. Best way to take my mind off it

 

[2Bad]

@Shaded_One @Moe.Red @growsince79 @tobh should he flush yall?

 

[growsince79]

@Shaded_One @Moe.Red @growsince79 @tobh should he flush yall?

I would probably just use 1/4 strength next time. It doesn't look that bad; just a bit too much N

 

[tricometester]

Thanks

 

[Buzzy12]

Do not panic or worry about it. Some strains will develop "the claw" more easily than others. You can back off the nutrients a bit if you feel it's necessary.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but the leaves are only an indicator of potential problems. We do not consume the leaves, we consume the flowers. I don't really care what the leaves look like if the plant produces high quality flowers.

For example, my first phenohunt I've ever done is posted on here and the winner of the run is very prone to "the claw", but also produced 50% more flower than any other plant in the run. I find that to be a very valuable trait in a plant, I could care less if it's not the nicest looking plant of the bunch. The cured flowers were the best and that's the most important thing to worry about.

I'm curious to see how others may respond to this. If you increased the nutrients and all of a sudden they're developing "the claw" then you should feed them a lower strength nutrient solution. No need to flush them yet. Always remember we are dealing with living, breathing plants. They are not appliances with an on/off switch. Certain changes may take time to see results, be patient.

To be clear, what exactly did you change to from what you were feeding them?

 

[tricometester]

Do not panic or worry about it. Some strains will develop "the claw" more easily than others. You can back off the nutrients a bit if you feel it's necessary.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but the leaves are only an indicator of potential problems. We do not consume the leaves, we consume the flowers. I don't really care what the leaves look like if the plant produces high quality flowers.

For example, my first phenohunt I've ever done is posted on here and the winner of the run is very prone to "the claw", but also produced 50% more flower than any other plant in the run. I find that to be a very valuable trait in a plant, I could care less if it's not the nicest looking plant of the bunch. The cured flowers were the best and that's the most important thing to worry about.

I'm curious to see how others may respond to this. If you increased the nutrients and all of a sudden they're developing "the claw" then you should feed them a lower strength nutrient solution. No need to flush them yet. Always remember we are dealing with living, breathing plants. They are not appliances with an on/off switch. Certain changes may take time to see results, be patient.

To be clear, what exactly did you change to from what you were feeding them?

I'm growing in some Fox Farm Ocean Forest soil. I fed them Sensi Grow A & B during veg. Then I flipped 2-days ago. I ordered some Bud Igniter to late
and won't get it for a week or more. So, I started with the Sensi Bloom A & B along with some VooDoo Juice. 18/6 to 12/12

 

[TSD]

I'd give plain water when they're thirsty then decide your next steps after you see how they respond, I doubt one over feeding will be catastrophic. You could dim the light a little for a couple days, but I'd say she'll use the extra juice up in no time.

 

[Buzzy12]

If you're following the label rates and checking your pH is in the ideal range, there's nothing to worry about. Always read how your plants are handling changes in nutes or environment and make adjustments accordingly. Only use plain water if you know the pH and adjust accordingly. My filtered well water is 8.8.

Something that would be extremely beneficial is start defoliating all of the big fan leaves except the top two nodes. It will send more energy to the valuable flower sites and you won't have to look at the not so great looking leaves anymore. Give them a day or two and they'll be praying up to the lights. Dr. Bruce Bugbee's work is mentioned in this article.

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The hormones triggered for flowering will allow the plant to start to accept a lot more light. I don't think there's any reason to dim the lights quite yet. Are you checking PPFD? There's free apps on your phone that can at least give you a balllark number.

 

[tricometester]

If you're following the label rates and checking your pH is in the ideal range, there's nothing to worry about. Always read how your plants are handling changes in nutes or environment and make adjustments accordingly. Only use plain water if you know the pH and adjust accordingly. My filtered well water is 8.8.

Something that would be extremely beneficial is start defoliating all of the big fan leaves except the top two nodes. It will send more energy to the valuable flower sites and you won't have to look at the not so great looking leaves anymore. Give them a day or two and they'll be praying up to the lights. Dr. Bruce Bugbee's work is mentioned in this article.

Optimal Light Intensity – Mammoth Lighting

We have designed and manufactured the most intense LED grow lights by applying the latest advances in high efficiency, solid-state lighting technology. Up to 2000 PPFD matching the sun's intensity. Mammoth recommends to target 600 – 900 ppfd in Veg and 1100 – 1500ppfd in flower. Higher for...

mammothlighting.com

The hormones triggered for flowering will allow the plant to start to accept a lot more light. I don't think there's any reason to dim the lights quite yet. Are you checking PPFD? There's free apps on your phone that can at least give you a balllark number.

I just checked the PPFD. My light sucks! ; (

 

[tricometester]

I just checked the PPFD. My light sucks! ; (

 

[Buzzy12]

I just checked the PPFD. My light sucks! ; (

What's the PPFD? How far away from the plants are they? I already gave you my recommendations on what you should do to increase your PPFD. Just gotta spend some money, but moving the light closer doesn't cost anything and it will increase PPFD. You'll just lose some of the outer footprint of the light.

 

[RootsRuler]

I agree with Buzzy and TSD. No big deal. To me it doesn't look so much like nute burn as overwatering.

One thing I've learned is it's better to not keep adding stuff in to try and resolve issues. Better to be judicious and let the plant tell you what it wants or is complaining about. Curled tips tell me high N but as TSD mentioned, if the plant was healthy prior it will recover with some dry back and eat up all that over nute.

Essentially, your doing nothing and letting them play out by going fishing was probably the best move IMO. Let them dry back and give them a clear water watering and watch the leaves. Once they bounce back continue on but maybe cut back a little on your daily recipe.

 

[TSD]

Something that would be extremely beneficial is start defoliating all of the big fan leaves except the top two nodes.

Yeah I wouldn't do that. Especially if your light isn't the best... the big fans catch the most light. I know this is a divisive issue and some people love to remove all the solar panels for some reason... they don't steal energy, they make it. Sure light defoliation or defoliation of lower branches that won't produce, but taking ALL the big fans is really not a great plan of action at this stage... in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

 

[Buzzy12]

I honestly felt the same way before seeing the benefits before my very own eyes. I used to work at a decent sized grow op. They had 6 Flower rooms, three were 500 sq ft, two were closer to 1500 sq ft, and one was a little over 2,000 sq ft. When I first got there, they were producing 1-1.5 lbs per light and the flower quality was not that great. Using the same nutrient line, House & Garden, schwazzing the plants on Day 1 and Day 21 increased yields to 2-2.5 lbs. I thought the plants were going to die buddy and they didn't skip a beat. Not much else was different.

We started to spray a bit more for PM and we did eventually switch over to Athena which did provide the higher quality flowers vs H&G and overall more consistently heavier plants. I firmly believe the X-factor was schwazzing. It's not fully understood by science why the plants respond so well to that extreme amount of stress, but they do.

10 days later

Harvest at 8 weeks

This room is where I spent most of my time, the biggest Flower room. It ended up averaging right around 2.5 lbs/light. They had Phantom 1000W HPS lights. In my first grow indoors at my new house we just bought this last summer, I did a little bit better than that, 2.67 lbs/light to be exact and most importantly it was the highest quality flower I've ever produced. The plants at the grow op were in 15 gal bags with coco getting fed every day and my plants were mostly in 3 gal bags and I harvested the four I had in 10 gal bags using organic soil with the Advanced Nutrients organic line. Yes, those are trees at the grow op, most plants were over 7 ft tall on average. My plants were not nearly that big and handled the stress just as well.

@TDS and anybody else who was like me before seeing the results should at least give it a try if they're willing to do the work. It does take quite a bit of time to complete, but I believe the benefits are worth it. Much less chance of getting powdery mildew as well. Better airflow throughout the canopy and light penetration. A lot of benefits from major defoliations at specific times in the Cannabis plant's life cycle in my experience.

 

[Buzzy12]

I'm not saying to defoliate to that extreme in this current situation @tricometester , but I am trying to prove how beneficial even major defoliations can be. We took just about every single leaf off except the top two nodes and the plants thrived. I'm suggesting you just take most of the big fan leaves off. Not the full schwazz, to be clear.

Once you get everything dialed in, that's something that can be done to really push growth and maximize the genetic potential of the plants along with boosting PPFD and nutrients.

 

[RootsRuler]

Yeah I wouldn't do that. Especially if your light isn't the best... the big fans catch the most light. I know this is a divisive issue and some people love to remove all the solar panels for some reason... they don't steal energy, they make it. Sure light defoliation or defoliation of lower branches that won't produce, but taking ALL the big fans is really not a great plan of action at this stage... in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

SCHWAZ OR DIE!!!

 

[RootsRuler]

I'm not saying to defoliate to that extreme in this current situation @tricometester , but I am trying to prove how beneficial even major defoliations can be. We took just about every single leaf off except the top two nodes and the plants thrived. I'm suggesting you just take most of the big fan leaves off. Not the full schwazz, to be clear.

Once you get everything dialed in, that's something that can be done to really push growth and maximize the genetic potential of the plants along with boosting PPFD and nutrients.

At what stage of growth would you say is the best time to schwaz? How many times should it be done? I may try this on my next grow to get an idea of the difference and the effect.

I still say that removing that many leaves is detrimental overall to the plant but if you've experienced improvements then I'm open to at least trying it to see what happens. Part of the fun of growing right?

Those DE lights are great! I've had great success with DE's! Only issue is heat and cost to run.........