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Dumb question but why buy voodoo juice, great white, myco this and that, name your favorite brand, when it’s all in soil already? If you have healthy garden soil outside can’t you just grab a scoop and throw it in your pot and mix it in? I feel like a idiot paying for this shit. I understand it’s purified and certain strains are isolated but if you provide optimal soil conditions all that will balance itself out. There are so many amazing soils out there that literally show up on your doorstep loaded with good shit. I’m very new to this and so far I’ve been using voodoo and was contemplating buying some great white, but my next run I’m going to omit all of that shit.
I don't do organic; and I'm huge on microbes, actually. It's just I'm not big on Nitrifying bacteria. I do use Arbuscular mycorrhiza fungi, and I use a lot of other microbes, like lactobacillus. (I use my yogurt in the fridge, mixed with water, and some molasses).This really only matters if you decide to grow organic.
If you do, then you need to amend most store bought soils to get to a 'living' stage where they can support the plant.
Some come correctly mixed and ready to go, 95% do not.
I've tried outdoor soil > indoor once or twice before and wasn't very successful.Dumb question but why buy voodoo juice, great white, myco this and that, name your favorite brand, when it’s all in soil already? If you have healthy garden soil outside can’t you just grab a scoop and throw it in your pot and mix it in? I feel like a idiot paying for this shit. I understand it’s purified and certain strains are isolated but if you provide optimal soil conditions all that will balance itself out. There are so many amazing soils out there that literally show up on your doorstep loaded with good shit. I’m very new to this and so far I’ve been using voodoo and was contemplating buying some great white, but my next run I’m going to omit all of that shit.
I think if you know what your generally bringing in the house it's fine. I would suggest finding some healthy tree roots, or healthy area with fungi. Or simply a scoop of really, clean, healthy smelling earth. It's all about risk factors.I've tried outdoor soil > indoor once or twice before and wasn't very successful.
General advice is to not bring outdoor soil inside and I have to say I agree with it. For starters it's more often than not too heavy for indoors, holds too much water, plus has a high chance of bringing in pests and disease.
But don't let that stop you. At the very least you'll probably want to amend it and fluff it out a bit. I'd compost it too, inside a container with a lid, out in the sun.
Nothing wrong with adding extra microbes. Though I strongly believe if growing organically you don't really need them.
Parent material in the soil and good aeration / drainage is much more important. If you have plenty and a variety of carbon rich organic material and the right soil environment, there'll be heaps of introduced and native microbial life to flourish and multiply.
Keep it simple at first, not too many amendments. Good as some soil recipes may be they often have many ingredients / amendments and can be daunting for a beginner. Also to source the materials is oftentimes far too expensive.
You can very likely source other organic materials with very similar properties and nutrient content, for cheaper and more locally.
No question is a dumb question. Hope I could provide you with an informative answer.
Good luck in your venture. Stick with it and you'll make some valuable mistakes along the way. In my own opinion experimenting with your own soil mix and inputs is a great way to start out and never stop learning.
That's my 2 cents man. Have a good 1, best of luck.
Awesome stuff Frankster! Awesome.I think if you know what your generally bringing in the house it's fine. I would suggest finding some healthy tree roots, or healthy area with fungi. Or simply a scoop of really, clean, healthy smelling earth. It's all about risk factors.
If your working on a budget, there's lot of good alternatives. You can also get certain organism off of things like rice wash, grain washes, wheat, sprouting alfalfa seeds, ect... Some seeds are going to naturally sprout along with some native fungi.
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I can often identify many organisms simply by smells alone, and sight. But I have decades of practice. college background on this subject. It was also a small part of my practice for many years, assessing character. Pseudomonas aeruginosa smells like flowers. Streptococcus milleri smells like browned butter. I've got quite the iron stomach for all sorts of smells, things like putrefied flesh, ect. I've worked with lots of infectious pathogens, for decades.now it's a hobby.
Simply add bacteria (grain wash, or scoop yogurt) into a gallon of water, add something like 1/2 cup of unfiltered honey (best thing) or molasses, and allow them to grow. As for AM fungi, I would say best bet is healthy conifer roots, including pine, firs, spruce, hemlock, oak, hickory, alder, and beech, roots.
I even add in the occasional brewers yeast into my soils, mixtures. ie. Saccharomyces cerevisiae. Organism by no means need to be expensive. There all around us, actually, just need to isolate.
Bro, below are some pics and video all from the last week. Youll see LAB, FPJ, WCA, and an IMO tea. 7 to 8 days to make your own LAB, i just did it. 3 days for a IMO brewed tea, 7 to 10 days for your own calcium, you can make cal-mag by adding 2 dollar epsom salt, this KNF Jadam shit is not hard. Frankster is explaining it all in more depth but he said it clearly, these microbes are all around us for free. Just takes a bit of effort and maybe a week or two to make most of those inputs from knf. Its some of the vinegars they make that takes longer. But the easier ones are a about a week.I found this when I was looking into making some KNF LAB.
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Looks to be a commercial manufactured version of LAB. I know it takes some time to make a lot of those KNF cocktails so maybe this would be a little easier to get those short chain fatty acids to fatten up the terpene profiles. Also cleans up those organic smells, lol.
I'll be honest, I've tried adding extra microbes outdoors, I didn't notice a big difference myself at all. Couldn't be bothered keeping up with it for the return.Nothin to it but to do it at this point I guess. I used to work a little micro, I couldn’t handle the sputum and wound cultures so I went into hematology. Thanks for the motivation tho, my kids love helping do this shit but they are too young to understand the reasons behind it. Gotta get some tomatoes going for them so they can have their own control plants. I’m sure they’ll be better at it than me.
Trust me bro. Just do it. A pot or a bucket, some rice water or potato water, some dirt and molases and you got the IMO tea just add a teaspoon of sea salt or pink himilayan salt for the minerals like Magnesium or Iron etc. Then the LAB is just uncooked rice water mixed into milk and just wait for a week. The FPJ is just chopped greens and brown sugar hand mixed and 5 days later its ready. If you take 20 minutes today most of it will be done and then its just waitingNothin to it but to do it at this point I guess. I used to work a little micro, I couldn’t handle the sputum and wound cultures so I went into hematology. Thanks for the motivation tho, my kids love helping do this shit but they are too young to understand the reasons behind it. Gotta get some tomatoes going for them so they can have their own control plants. I’m sure they’ll be better at it than me.
Got one how about if u mix fox farm ocean forest with a living just add water soil.what yall think would it work I'm thinking of trying it to seeI think if you know what your generally bringing in the house it's fine. I would suggest finding some healthy tree roots, or healthy area with fungi. Or simply a scoop of really, clean, healthy smelling earth. It's all about risk factors.
If your working on a budget, there's lot of good alternatives. You can also get certain organism off of things like rice wash, grain washes, wheat, sprouting alfalfa seeds, ect... Some seeds are going to naturally sprout along with some native fungi.
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I can often identify many organisms simply by smells alone, and sight. But I have decades of practice. college background on this subject. It was also a small part of my practice for many years, assessing character. Pseudomonas aeruginosa smells like flowers. Streptococcus milleri smells like browned butter. I've got quite the iron stomach for all sorts of smells, things like putrefied flesh, ect. I've worked with lots of infectious pathogens, for decades.now it's a hobby.
Simply add bacteria (grain wash, or scoop yogurt) into a gallon of water, add something like 1/2 cup of unfiltered honey (best thing) or molasses, and allow them to grow. As for AM fungi, I would say best bet is healthy conifer roots, including pine, firs, spruce, hemlock, oak, hickory, alder, and beech, roots.
I even add in the occasional brewers yeast into my soils, mixtures. ie. Saccharomyces cerevisiae. Organism by no means need to be expensive. There all around us, actually, just need to isolate. But again; I do think the FF Microbrew is an excellent product, has 4o organisms, and is very reasonable priced.
I only add when adding new compost or transplanting. Good microbes kill bad microbes and no telling what you get bagged from the big box. I just started my compost pile for next year and I added a bunch to get a jump start breaking down everything.Dumb question but why buy voodoo juice, great white, myco this and that, name your favorite brand, when it’s all in soil already? If you have healthy garden soil outside can’t you just grab a scoop and throw it in your pot and mix it in? I feel like a idiot paying for this shit. I understand it’s purified and certain strains are isolated but if you provide optimal soil conditions all that will balance itself out. There are so many amazing soils out there that literally show up on your doorstep loaded with good shit. I’m very new to this and so far I’ve been using voodoo and was contemplating buying some great white, but my next run I’m going to omit all of that shit.
Are you saying “I use my yogurt in the fridge, mixed with water, and some molasses”I don't do organic; and I'm huge on microbes, actually. It's just I'm not big on Nitrifying bacteria. I do use Arbuscular mycorrhiza fungi, and I use a lot of other microbes, like lactobacillus. (I use my yogurt in the fridge, mixed with water, and some molasses).
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