[Dougernaut718]

About 4 weeks in on a HSC BBM run that was going great. but I took 3 clones and did a top water with some recharge after putting down my top dress amendments (I usually do butt chugging with wicking bases unless im doing a feed)... next day plant is wilted to hell and clinging to life. How can I best save this plant? Ive stopped water, raised it off the bases, tilled the soil a little bit to promot evap, and lowered the light and humidity in the tent as well. I was planning on uppotting from the 1 gal fabric pot to a 10 gal but this railroaded my plans. It's other tent mate had the same exact treatment that day and still thriving.

Do I just stay the course and give it a week to dryback? Do I up pot it right away or will that be too much stress on top of the other stuff? Leaves are still all green but everything is wilted to hell and flopped over. but the bottom leaves starting to dry out and fall off. Really don't want to lose this plant but at least I have some clones already before it nosedived. Never pissed off a non seedling this bad with overwatering.

 

[JIMKSI64]

I have done this a few times. There is not much to do but wait but from my experience there are a few things that make it worse

Leave VPD alone. It is not transpiring and any move can hurt.

Do not point a fan at the pot and leave it. This will dry out 1/2 the pot and cause problems the whole rest of the plants life with a dry spot.
I did reduce lights by 10% with no problems but I do not think it helped.
Good luck.

 

[Dougernaut718]

I have done this a few times. There is not much to do but wait but from my experience there are a few things that make it worse

Leave VPD alone. It is not transpiring and any move can hurt.

Do not point a fan at the pot and leave it. This will dry out 1/2 the pot and cause problems the whole rest of the plants life with a dry spot.
I did reduce lights by 10% with no problems but I do not think it helped.
Good luck.

Yea I resisted the urge to point a fan at it directly. Figured that would be a death sentence for it since it only ever got a light breeze when healthy.

 

[Ninjadogma]

About 4 weeks in on a HSC BBM run that was going great. but I took 3 clones and did a top water with some recharge after putting down my top dress amendments (I usually do butt chugging with wicking bases unless im doing a feed)... next day plant is wilted to hell and clinging to life. How can I best save this plant? Ive stopped water, raised it off the bases, tilled the soil a little bit to promot evap, and lowered the light and humidity in the tent as well. I was planning on uppotting from the 1 gal fabric pot to a 10 gal but this railroaded my plans. It's other tent mate had the same exact treatment that day and still thriving.

Do I just stay the course and give it a week to dryback? Do I up pot it right away or will that be too much stress on top of the other stuff? Leaves are still all green but everything is wilted to hell and flopped over. but the bottom leaves starting to dry out and fall off. Really don't want to lose this plant but at least I have some clones already before it nosedived. Never pissed off a non seedling this bad with overwatering.

Before we make a move, we need to know what actually took place and why the plant responded the way it did. You did a top dress and watered it in with a recharge. What exactly did you use? Without knowing what you used. I'm gonna presume you're dealing with a sudden microbe overload that put your plant into an oxygen deprivation shock. It won't necessarily happen across all plants and is more unique to the individual biome. So you can have two plants side by side and one does this and the other doesn't.

When it recovers, you might see some burnt leaf tips... but it looks a little different than nutrient burn because it's from microbe overload.

What to do: Exactly what your doing. Don't water it. Don't mess with it. Don't add anything. Just let that soil dry up so the plant can breathe again. The plants are oxygen deprived but not in the sense of being drowned in water... More like suffocating in a smoke filled room.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Before we make a move, we need to know what actually took place and why the plant responded the way it did. You did a top dress and watered it in with a recharge. What exactly did you use? Without knowing what you used. I'm gonna presume you're dealing with a sudden microbe overload that put your plant into an oxygen deprivation shock. It won't necessarily happen across all plants and is more unique to the individual biome. So you can have two plants side by side and one does this and the other doesn't.

When it recovers, you might see some burnt leaf tips... but it looks a little different than nutrient burn because it's from microbe overload.

What to do: Exactly what your doing. Don't water it. Don't mess with it. Don't add anything. Just let that soil dry up so the plant can breathe again. The plants are oxygen deprived but not in the sense of being drowned in water... More like suffocating in a smoke filled room.

And letting it dry back is like opening a window in that smoke filled room. This is how its different than an overwatering issue. The microbes are consuming too much oxygen and dumping CO2 in its place and it suffocates the plant. You can poke some holes in the dirt with a bamboo stake to open up some pockets and help it with the gas exchange a little quicker, but you could damage some fragile roots.

If you want to push them that hard in the future. Add more perlite, pumice, biochar, things that help air pass through the dirt more easily.

 

[Dougernaut718]

Before we make a move, we need to know what actually took place and why the plant responded the way it did. You did a top dress and watered it in with a recharge. What exactly did you use? Without knowing what you used. I'm gonna presume you're dealing with a sudden microbe overload that put your plant into an oxygen deprivation shock. It won't necessarily happen across all plants and is more unique to the individual biome. So you can have two plants side by side and one does this and the other doesn't.

When it recovers, you might see some burnt leaf tips... but it looks a little different than nutrient burn because it's from microbe overload.

What to do: Exactly what your doing. Don't water it. Don't mess with it. Don't add anything. Just let that soil dry up so the plant can breathe again. The plants are oxygen deprived but not in the sense of being drowned in water... More like suffocating in a smoke filled room.

The issue wasn't simply that I did a top watering with recharge after top dressing some amendments... its that I have been using self wicking reservoirs so these pots have been butt chugging... which I have done in the past without issue doing it this way.... But I currently have these in much smaller 1 gallon pots than the larger ones I typically use cause im trying some new things with cloning/breeding. I must have just top watered with far too much water when the medium was already nicely moist to begin with. Lesson learned I'll be sure to make sure it's drying out a bit before doing so again, I just never had a plant react like this in bigger pots so didn't expect such a severe negative reaction.

Is this something I can reasonably expect the plant to bounce back from with a proper dry back or is it a dice roll at this point if it will recover?

 

[Dougernaut718]

And letting it dry back is like opening a window in that smoke filled room. This is how its different than an overwatering issue. The microbes are consuming too much oxygen and dumping CO2 in its place and it suffocates the plant. You can poke some holes in the dirt with a bamboo stake to open up some pockets and help it with the gas exchange a little quicker, but you could damage some fragile roots.

If you want to push them that hard in the future. Add more perlite, pumice, biochar, things that help air pass through the dirt more easily.

Thanks I'll keep that in mind. Thats a great point about CO2 buildup from microbe activity, hadn't considered that variable. Don't think it would have happened if I just up potted sooner but I just wanted to delay going 18 hours of light in 2 tents for as long as possible.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Thanks I'll keep that in mind. Thats a great point about CO2 buildup from microbe activity, hadn't considered that variable. Don't think it would have happened if I just up potted sooner but I just wanted to delay going 18 hours of light in 2 tents for as long as possible.

You can call it a watering issue, but what I believe caused the whole plant to sag was the combination of the water along with a lack of oxygen in the soil from the microbes hogging it. Imagine you're underwater breathing through a straw... And suddenly somebody stuck their finger on it. So I'm inclined to think it was a 1-2 punch. Not just the watering practice and not just the recharge. Rather, both of those things working against the plant together.

 

[Coconutz]

If you've been feeding over a period using wicks the surface of the medium builds up salt crystals because of water evaporation happening there which doesn't get diluted frequently, when you feed from the top it dissolves the crystals back into nutrient resulting in leaf scorching/burnt tips

 

[Dougernaut718]

If you've been feeding over a period using wicks the surface of the medium builds up salt crystals because of water evaporation happening there which doesn't get diluted frequently, when you feed from the top it dissolves the crystals back into nutrient resulting in leaf scorching/burnt tips

There was no scortching going on here. the plant was all green before the wilting. And Still green now in it's depressed state but some of the foliage is starting to dry up along the bottom. still hoping for any sort of bounceback ones the medium drys out but it's still got some moisture in there.

 

[Coconutz]

There was no scortching going on here. the plant was all green before the wilting. And Still green now in it's depressed state but some of the foliage is starting to dry up along the bottom. still hoping for any sort of bounceback ones the medium drys out but it's still got some moisture in there.

That's good news, if it's only limp/wilted looking it'll mostly likely be too wet, if it's feasible sitting a pot on an towel/news paper helps wick water out and let's it dry easier, good luck I hope it works out for you