I’m wondering about small frosty buds

[GNick55]

hey growers.. firstly this is just something that has been on my mind for a while now but i was waiting for the answer to come to me, haha..
why is it and you’ll see it all the time in frosty flowers that it’s the tiny colas with coated sugar/fan leaves?
why wouldn’t you just grow “proper” size buds so that the plant can contain all her trichomes mostly on the buds instead of having to use her fan leaves? just saying seems like a waste to me, can’t sell fan leaves? smoke them?..
to me even though most of those pics look pretty it’s not what i would want..
anyhoo just wondering..

 

[Oldguy71]

I always thought where the plant puts its trichomes was genetic. Are you saying a plant grows trichs on the leaves if it doesn’t have enough buds to grow them on?
Many people make hash or otherwise process their trim to make use of that extra frost.

 

[GNick55]

I always thought where the plant puts its trichomes was genetic. Are you saying a plant grows trichs on the leaves if it doesn’t have enough buds to grow them on?
Many people make hash or otherwise process their trim to make use of that extra frost.

ok i’m pretty sure i heard think it was that bumbee led light guy, which is funny cause i think he’s off with his light science but anyhoo yes to what your saying is what i think he was saying also. because a plant genetics will create certain amount of trichomes if grown correctly etc..
kinda like why use a bud fatter as that would just “thin out” the trichomes..

 

[Eledin]

hey growers.. firstly this is just something that has been on my mind for a while now but i was waiting for the answer to come to me, haha..
why is it and you’ll see it all the time in frosty flowers that it’s the tiny colas with coated sugar/fan leaves?
why wouldn’t you just grow “proper” size buds so that the plant can contain all her trichomes mostly on the buds instead of having to use her fan leaves? just saying seems like a waste to me, can’t sell fan leaves? smoke them?..
to me even though most of those pics look pretty it’s not what i would want..
anyhoo just wondering..

I make hash with them. Having tried many strains I would say that yes, its genetics. It happened to me in the 200W grow too, the buds wont get to its maxium potential in that grow, so probably genetics plus that? Im not sure, but I think that the strain also plays a role in that. When I had frosty leaves my buds were even frostier, so its better than nothing to make hash if you cant get bigger buds.

 

[Eledin]

Oh I just remembered! It can also be a stress response, one time I had a really bad gnat problem and I had the frostier buds and leaves Ive ever seen in any of my grows. The Bacillus I added plus some diatomaceous earth took care of them but they left me with very sticky stressed plants. (And a lot of dead gnats to remove from the sticky leaves xD)

 

[Madbud]

hey growers.. firstly this is just something that has been on my mind for a while now but i was waiting for the answer to come to me, haha..
why is it and you’ll see it all the time in frosty flowers that it’s the tiny colas with coated sugar/fan leaves?
why wouldn’t you just grow “proper” size buds so that the plant can contain all her trichomes mostly on the buds instead of having to use her fan leaves? just saying seems like a waste to me, can’t sell fan leaves? smoke them?..
to me even though most of those pics look pretty it’s not what i would want..
anyhoo just wondering..

Dispensaries here sell trim, shake.

 

[GNick55]

ok ya i get it on sugar leaves really meant more so on the fan leaves? and it’s only with tiny colas.. never with good size colas, kinda like this one..

 

[Eledin]

ok ya i get it on sugar leaves really meant more so on the fan leaves? and it’s only with tiny colas.. never with good size colas, kinda like this one..View attachment 1349848

I can only recall that happening to me in fan leaves when I had the gnat problem, but I think youre right when you say its, most of the times, when the plant has more capacity to produce trichomes than it has to produce big buds. For example lets say Im feeding lots of suggars and the plant has nothing to do with them but trichomes and a bit of growth, it will make a lot of trichomes wherever she can and of course close to the buds, fan leaves or stems alike.

 

[Eledin]

Bigger buds require bigger roots/more light/etc but trichomes dont. (I know that UV will produce more trichomes but you know what I mean)

 

[RootsRuler]

I've never really had that happen to me or at least enough that I would notice it but I can say that I'm pretty diligent about leaf inspection so I'm pretty sure I would have caught it if it was happening.

Maybe it plays into the whole lollipopping process where removing potential larf sites sends the energy to the top.

 

[GNick55]

I make hash with them. Having tried many strains I would say that yes, its genetics. It happened to me in the 200W grow too, the buds wont get to its maxium potential in that grow, so probably genetics plus that? Im not sure, but I think that the strain also plays a role in that. When I had frosty leaves my buds were even frostier, so it’s better than nothing to make hash if you cant get bigger buds.

if your still around in a couple months you’ll get to see the hashish and hash oil/wax stuff i make.. couple samples..

 

[Eledin]

Oh man that hash is what we call bellota in spain, one of the most valued types of hash after pure kief blonde. I wanna smoke hash now xD its been a while. I have never really tried wax/dabs, is not really a thing in Spain, we still have to catch up in weed trends a lot. Will be easier if they ever legalize it, I think its coming soonish, hopefully.

 

[mysticepipedon]

ok ya i get it on sugar leaves really meant more so on the fan leaves? and it’s only with tiny colas.. never with good size colas, kinda like this one..View attachment 1349848

Usually, when you have that massive amount of trichs on leaves, there are also a lot of trichs on the flowers.

But what I've found is that the frostiest looking plants I have in a grow -- the ones that make the sugar coated bud pics -- are only rarely the best plant in the grow, potency-wise.

For example, a couple of grow ago, I grew a couple of Arise females. They were very sticky if you touched them, but they didn't look frosty in pictures. The trichs seemed small, so they weren't nearly as noticeable as they were on a plant from LIT seeds (Cinnamon Rollz). They looked like average plants, by comparison. Well, they turned out to be about the most potent plants I ever grew. The frost monsters in the grow were also good, but Arise was just in a class by itself.

 

[GNick55]

Oh man that hash is what we call bellota in spain, one of the most valued types of hash after pure kief blonde. I wanna smoke hash now xD it’s been a while. I have never really tried wax/dabs, is not really a thing in Spain, we still have to catch up in weed trends a lot. Will be easier if they ever legalize it, I think it’s coming soonish, hopefully.

ya i don’t smoke weed so make hash and oil from my grows, give away a few buds to friends.
here a couple more pictures.. obviously 2 i didn’t make..

 

[GNick55]

Usually, when you have that massive amount of trichs on leaves, there are also a lot of trichs on the flowers.

But what I've found is that the frostiest looking plants I have in a grow -- the ones that make the sugar coated bud pics -- are only rarely the best plant in the grow, potency-wise.

For example, a couple of grow ago, I grew a couple of Arise females. They were very sticky if you touched them, but they didn't look frosty in pictures. The trichs seemed small, so they weren't nearly as noticeable as they were on a plant from LIT seeds (Cinnamon Rollz). They looked like average plants, by comparison. Well, they turned out to be about the most potent plants I ever grew. The frost monsters in the grow were also good, but Arise was just in a class by itself.

that is soo true.. i’ve had the same experience..

 

[Eledin]

Yummy, for a lack of a better word. Most of our dark hash or bellota comes from Morocco, theres some real OGs in there aswell. Big plantations, not the best looking plants but they only want them for hash and the fields are massive!

 

[Oldguy71]

That’s what I thought too but just read a study last night on the effects of uva and uvb on trichomes It showed no increase. I’ll try to find it and post a link

. (I know that UV will produce more trichomes but you know what I mean)

 

[mysticepipedon]

That’s what I thought too but just read a study last night on the effects of uva and uvb on trichomes It showed no increase. I’ll try to find it and post a link

I've never noticed an increase in trichs from UVB, and I used it in many grows.

 

[GNick55]

Yummy, for a lack of a better word. Most of our dark hash or bellota comes from Morocco, theres some real OGs in there aswell. Big plantations, not the best looking plants but they only want them for hash and the fields are massive!

you know one thing i hope is that in these hash making countries is hopefully some villagers keep it “original” meaning growing and making hashish the way they have been doing it for years..
but for years westerners have been giving farmers or making deals too grow higher producing strains and teaching them bubble washing which is ruining the whole experience to me.. i even see some of this product here in canada and tried it and it’s no where near what it used to be..
hope the bekka valley stays old school..

 

[Eledin]

That’s what I thought too but just read a study last night on the effects of uva and uvb on trichomes It showed no increase. I’ll try to find it and post a link

Yes please that topic always intrigued me because Ive seen no study with clear conclussions but it makes sense that the plant will produce more trichomes to defend itself from that radiation, theyre reflective. Its true for the pest part too, doesnt mean youre gonna have bomb weed as you guys said but I can tell you that when a plant suffers from a pest it will be frostier, Ive seen it so many times with friends that are new growing outside, mostly caterpillars are the cause here, these people plant them and they dont check them for days and then they come back to half eaten plants, frosty as hell but the potency is not there.