i cant come to a conclusion

paranoidperson · Mar 22, 2022

the seeds popped out, i helped them by eliminating the seed shell very carefully, but i started noticing that the cotyledons are turning pale and light green yellowish, ive never seen that and i cant figure out what it is, any suggestion is appreciated thx

put them in soil 7-8 days ago

since planted i gave a max of 100 to 150 ml of water or near a small cup of water

11l pot

light: viparspectra p1000 about 50% light intensity and 50 to 60 cm from plant

soil doesent look and feel wet, but barely humid

as you can see this plant looks a bit wierd :/

NorthernOrganics · Mar 22, 2022

Dim or raise the light,

paranoidperson · Mar 22, 2022

NorthernOrganics said:
Dim or raise the light,

just dimmed the light, but ive just wondering, could it be some insects eating the roots?

NorthernOrganics · Mar 22, 2022

Are there any flyers?

Greenjourneyman · Mar 22, 2022

Looks like you just peeled away the seed casing a little soon. Give it some time, if the cotyledons don’t turn green and open you may have a dud.

TSD · Mar 22, 2022

Seeds are so delicate, and they suck nutrients out of that shell for thier first few days of life, I never manually remove it unless it's clearly still struggling to open after a couple days, or if it's just barely hanging on still. It looks to be shying away from the light. I always start my seeds under fluorescents because leds are just so intense for new babies.

paranoidperson · Mar 22, 2022

TSD said:
Seeds are so delicate, and they suck nutrients out of that shell for thier first few days of life, I never manually remove it unless it's clearly still struggling to open after a couple days, or if it's just barely hanging on still. It looks to be shying away from the light. I always start my seeds under fluorescents because leds are just so intense for new babies.

i peeled the shell because the seeds were 2 yrs old, and the shell was very dry, a was just paranoied that it wold not do it by itself, btw i did see 1 very very small insect in the dirt but i cant tell what it was

TSD · Mar 22, 2022

paranoidperson said:
i peeled the shell because the seeds were 2 yrs old, and the shell was very dry, a was just paranoied that it wold not do it by itself, btw i did see 1 very very small insect in the dirt but i cant tell what it was

That's why I always soak my seeds till they pop. Tiny black bug? Probably a fungus gnat.

FuriousStyles · Mar 22, 2022

paranoidperson said:
i peeled the shell because the seeds were 2 yrs old, and the shell was very dry, a was just paranoied that it wold not do it by itself, btw i did see 1 very very small insect in the dirt but i cant tell what it was

Make sure you use a spray battle to wet inside the shell casing before you remove it, Sometimes you can leave membrane on the new leaves if you don't. Like @Greenjourneyman said give them some time, I would be using a spray bottle on that one twice a day lights on/off till it pulls out of it. Just normal tap water.

TSD · Mar 22, 2022

FuriousStyles said:
Make sure you use a spray battle to wet inside the shell casing before you remove it, Sometimes you can leave membrane on the new leaves if you don't. Like @Greenjourneyman said give them some time, I would be using a spray bottle on that one twice a day lights on/off till it pulls out of it. Just normal tap water.

Or even put a little clear cup over it to make a mini greenhouse, that's that I do for the first few days. That will also filter the light a bit. I poke a few holes w a tac for a bit of airflow.

paranoidperson · Mar 22, 2022

TSD said:
That's why I always soak my seeds till they pop. Tiny black bug? Probably a fungus gnat.

nah more like so a tiny spider or those thing that curl in to a ball

Beach_Bum · Mar 22, 2022

also helpful to keep some canning jars full of potting/ starting mix which you ran through the pressure cooker. Knocks out a lot of stuff that could cause problems in this stage.

paranoidperson · Mar 22, 2022

Beach_Bum said:
also helpful to keep some canning jars full of potting/ starting mix which you ran through the pressure cooker. Knocks out a lot of stuff that could cause problems in this stage.

plant keep getting worse, i assume it has a day left before it dies unfortunately, anything that comes you to mind when seeing this?

TSD · Mar 22, 2022

paranoidperson said:
plant keep getting worse, i assume it has a day left before it dies unfortunately, anything that comes you to mind when seeing this? View attachment 1228541

Looks like too much light, and the blacknis making it hotter. Try putting a clear cup over it. Soil is very chunky and looks dense, what is it? Do you have anything in it for aeration? I don't seeperlite... is it a hot soil, like manure or added nutrients? Could just be a dud, that can happen even if you do everything right.

paranoidperson · Mar 22, 2022

TSD said:
Looks like too much light, and the blacknis making it hotter. Try putting a clear cup over it. Soil is very chunky and looks dense, what is it? Do you have anything in it for aeration? I don't seeperlite... is it a hot soil, like manure or added nutrients? Could just be a dud, that can happen even if you do everything right.

this was the same soil i used 2 yrs ago for the same seeds, and didt have any problem, soil is peatmoss and compost, ph of 6.5 but the soil was old, maybe that?, ill dim the light to minimum, ive just transplanted in biobizz allmix, the root was about 5-6 cm long but looked fuzzy, i didnt add anything in soil, didnt see lavas or insects, i put it in a plastic cup with vents holes on bottom and around, so it even seats lower from the light

paranoidperson · Mar 22, 2022

TSD said:
Looks like too much light, and the blacknis making it hotter. Try putting a clear cup over it. Soil is very chunky and looks dense, what is it? Do you have anything in it for aeration? I don't seeperlite... is it a hot soil, like manure or added nutrients? Could just be a dud, that can happen even if you do everything right.

also i started germinating other seeds like lsd, critical and do si dos, all mix is a bit on the hot side but you think its allright?

TSD · Mar 22, 2022

paranoidperson said:
also i started germinating other seeds like lsd, critical and do si dos, all mix is a bit on the hot side but you think its allright?

Hard to say, if you've grown seedlings in it before it may be OK. Compost is generally pretty hot, depending on how well aged it is.

Beach_Bum · Mar 22, 2022

paranoidperson said:
plant keep getting worse, i assume it has a day left before it dies unfortunately, anything that comes you to mind when seeing this? View attachment 1228541

whats in compost? Unknown's , and maybe burning nutrients in the mix. Bacteria/ virus? At this point a sterile media would eliminate a lot of unknowns. It would take a University Ag lab to figure out the cause. If the plant rebounds then good, if not don't spend too much time on it. Looks like a budget potting mix, lots of wood. Try buying one bag of really good stuff and save it for seed starting, then transplant into this stuff when the plant is stronger. You can take the nice stuff like Ocean Farms and cut it with perlite and vermiculite by a good one third. Keep it simple, try to eliminate problems before they hatch and don't over think it. Every seed will not make it. Often my plants get close to death because I'm gone for too long and they dry up. Looking really bad, but they come back, lots of leaves are lost. But they rebound, once they get going they are pretty tough.

paranoidperson · Mar 22, 2022

Beach_Bum said:
whats in compost? Unknown's , and maybe burning nutrients in the mix. Bacteria/ virus? At this point a sterile media would eliminate a lot of unknowns. It would take a University Ag lab to figure out the cause. If the plant rebounds then good, if not don't spend too much time on it. Looks like a budget potting mix, lots of wood. Try buying one bag of really good stuff and save it for seed starting, then transplant into this stuff when the plant is stronger. You can take the nice stuff like Ocean Farms and cut it with perlite and vermiculite by a good one third. Keep it simple, try to eliminate problems before they hatch and don't over think it. Every seed will not make it. Often my plants get close to death because I'm gone for too long and they dry up. Looking really bad, but they come back, lots of leaves are lost. But they rebound, once they get going they are pretty tough.

ive bought biobizz allmix

Beach_Bum · Mar 22, 2022

paranoidperson said:
ive bought biobizz allmix

never tried it, looked it up, it says ' heavily pre-fertilized substrate mixture emulates a rich outdoor soil with a full micro active ecosystem. It's been designed to have enough nutrient-fuelled power to sustain lush growth for a couple of weeks, without any need to add any extra fertilizer.' Sounds good for vegging, but maybe too strong for seed starting. Sounds similar to Ocean Forrest stuff. Sometimes you can get good deals on off season. I bought big bags on amazon for $22 shipping included in the fall one year. Shipping has got to be outrageous on sacks of heavy stuff.

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