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Also, is it more likely to put in too much pelletized garden lime or not enough?
Hello friends.
Dealing with one hell of an issue. Plants are beyond crippled, new growth nothing but a shriveled, deformed mess. They're clones, maybe a month + two weeks, all started healthily. This all began around two weeks ago. They were up-potted yesterday, which I should have done a week ago. Not root bound but something in the entirety of the soil is off. Providing new soil will hopefully alleviate immediate crisis though only temporarily. I'm thinking that the PH is either rock-bottom or sky-high. New growth is so crippled I'm fascinated to see what it is. I've watched them like a hawk and will be able to spot this issue in the future from a mile away. Important to note that old-growth, aka the two sets of, 4 total, fan leaves that developed before this mess kicked off have shown little problems compared to new growth. The first symptom seen on them was petioles getting redder. Followed by fan leaf inner veins turning brownish. From there you could notice slight deformity though it wasn't something that happened on the entire leaf but in certain spots. Any new leaves looked shriveled and dehydrated per se. When this happened, I either used a drip of FF Grow Big or Big Bloom mixed in with water. Thinking it was a lack of one of the mobile nutrients. Also from the slight chlorosis. I wouldn't think it would have been enough to make an impact, it was that little. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly and it was way more than I thought. But that is unlikely. I have always been wary of any nutrients in the beginning stages of veg. For the most part, they have gotten nothing but tap water, always set aside a couple of days to lessen chlorine content before being given. Which was given to indoor and outdoor plants of different varieties all throughout the summer without issue.
I've gotten a half dozen flower garden seasons under my belt. But only a single one with cannabis. So I need some of your historical experience to advise where I fucked up. I'm using Coast of Maine (COM) Stonington Blend, perlite, and peat, nothing more. What I've thought was the problem since the beginning is the addition of peat to COM has dropped the PH. I've never added any lime and in doing so my PH after a couple of weeks is rock-bottom and never goes back up, I'm thinking. I have tried to water in lime on the top, and also drop a couple of pellets into a water bottle, let it disintegrate, and then water that in. I haven't gone crazy, making sure to do a little at a time. The petioles and browning of veins are still apparent but not spreading. And as I said, other than that, the leaves look healthy. But new growth is beyond fucked, almost couldn't be worse. Essentially no growth, but what does grow is shriveled, browned tipped little green. So likely one of the immobiles, which are affected most by low PH.
Seems very unlikely it's a nutrient deficiency due to the absence of nutrients in the soil. They're too young to have used up everything thus far. Something, I presume Calcium from what I've read, is locked out from either low PH or high PH. Which, might be due to either me putting too much lime in or not enough lime in. Given my tap water wasn't a problem the last 8 months. Given I have used little additional liquid nutrients. Given that using COM and perlite alone should never cause anything like what I'm experiencing. I've always concluded it had to do something with the peat and PH. Everything should be good to go once I get the PH under wraps. Now, maybe I have added so much peat that they have actually used all the nutrients up in the soil. I don't know. Maybe so much of the roots are sitting on inert peat that they're fucked. This is why I'd love it if someone could look over my process and point out areas of concern. Surely I could go buy a PH and soil meter to test all of this but until I figure it out, I refuse to. I want to learn what the plant is telling me without those tools initially. I have a good recollection of the symptoms that brought me here. Many will say to throw these plants out and take more clones. But again, I want to figure out what is wrong and what went wrong in an effort at learning more. I want to observe the initial signs of them getting healthier and then see what is required to nurse them back to full strength. I'm no rush. At this stage, I'm here to learn more than focus on quality, weight, or potency.
Pisses me off though because I timed the topping perfectly. They were kicking ass so I'm partially dumbfounded and questioning everything I know about gardening. Before this clusterfuck, I was planning to put them into flower around the beginning of January. These are the first six clones that I've ever taken. From my own mother plant and all. She is in the same mix pretty much, maybe a bit less peat. Has experienced some browning of petioles and brown inner veins but nothing near as severe. She's probably 5 months old at this point, been in the same pot for at least 4 months. Aside from understandable signs of being root bound and a bit of NPK deficiency, she's been doing just fine.
I'll be very relieved if the answer is that I just didn't add enough lime 🤪 Thank you all in advance for your time.
Hello friends.
Dealing with one hell of an issue. Plants are beyond crippled, new growth nothing but a shriveled, deformed mess. They're clones, maybe a month + two weeks, all started healthily. This all began around two weeks ago. They were up-potted yesterday, which I should have done a week ago. Not root bound but something in the entirety of the soil is off. Providing new soil will hopefully alleviate immediate crisis though only temporarily. I'm thinking that the PH is either rock-bottom or sky-high. New growth is so crippled I'm fascinated to see what it is. I've watched them like a hawk and will be able to spot this issue in the future from a mile away. Important to note that old-growth, aka the two sets of, 4 total, fan leaves that developed before this mess kicked off have shown little problems compared to new growth. The first symptom seen on them was petioles getting redder. Followed by fan leaf inner veins turning brownish. From there you could notice slight deformity though it wasn't something that happened on the entire leaf but in certain spots. Any new leaves looked shriveled and dehydrated per se. When this happened, I either used a drip of FF Grow Big or Big Bloom mixed in with water. Thinking it was a lack of one of the mobile nutrients. Also from the slight chlorosis. I wouldn't think it would have been enough to make an impact, it was that little. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly and it was way more than I thought. But that is unlikely. I have always been wary of any nutrients in the beginning stages of veg. For the most part, they have gotten nothing but tap water, always set aside a couple of days to lessen chlorine content before being given. Which was given to indoor and outdoor plants of different varieties all throughout the summer without issue.
I've gotten a half dozen flower garden seasons under my belt. But only a single one with cannabis. So I need some of your historical experience to advise where I fucked up. I'm using Coast of Maine (COM) Stonington Blend, perlite, and peat, nothing more. What I've thought was the problem since the beginning is the addition of peat to COM has dropped the PH. I've never added any lime and in doing so my PH after a couple of weeks is rock-bottom and never goes back up, I'm thinking. I have tried to water in lime on the top, and also drop a couple of pellets into a water bottle, let it disintegrate, and then water that in. I haven't gone crazy, making sure to do a little at a time. The petioles and browning of veins are still apparent but not spreading. And as I said, other than that, the leaves look healthy. But new growth is beyond fucked, almost couldn't be worse. Essentially no growth, but what does grow is shriveled, browned tipped little green. So likely one of the immobiles, which are affected most by low PH.
Seems very unlikely it's a nutrient deficiency due to the absence of nutrients in the soil. They're too young to have used up everything thus far. Something, I presume Calcium from what I've read, is locked out from either low PH or high PH. Which, might be due to either me putting too much lime in or not enough lime in. Given my tap water wasn't a problem the last 8 months. Given I have used little additional liquid nutrients. Given that using COM and perlite alone should never cause anything like what I'm experiencing. I've always concluded it had to do something with the peat and PH. Everything should be good to go once I get the PH under wraps. Now, maybe I have added so much peat that they have actually used all the nutrients up in the soil. I don't know. Maybe so much of the roots are sitting on inert peat that they're fucked. This is why I'd love it if someone could look over my process and point out areas of concern. Surely I could go buy a PH and soil meter to test all of this but until I figure it out, I refuse to. I want to learn what the plant is telling me without those tools initially. I have a good recollection of the symptoms that brought me here. Many will say to throw these plants out and take more clones. But again, I want to figure out what is wrong and what went wrong in an effort at learning more. I want to observe the initial signs of them getting healthier and then see what is required to nurse them back to full strength. I'm no rush. At this stage, I'm here to learn more than focus on quality, weight, or potency.
Pisses me off though because I timed the topping perfectly. They were kicking ass so I'm partially dumbfounded and questioning everything I know about gardening. Before this clusterfuck, I was planning to put them into flower around the beginning of January. These are the first six clones that I've ever taken. From my own mother plant and all. She is in the same mix pretty much, maybe a bit less peat. Has experienced some browning of petioles and brown inner veins but nothing near as severe. She's probably 5 months old at this point, been in the same pot for at least 4 months. Aside from understandable signs of being root bound and a bit of NPK deficiency, she's been doing just fine.
I'll be very relieved if the answer is that I just didn't add enough lime 🤪 Thank you all in advance for your time.
