Is Rdwc Expensive To Run?

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I'm a soil grower but set up a small wilma drip system. It's the wilma xl 8 pot one. 130 ltr res. I want to go fully hydro and I'm looking at the Alien RDWC 12 pot 20ltr pots system. It has I think approx 260 ltrs in total when set up. My question is this....in the wilma system we change the whole res weekly by the time flower time comes around. So do I have to change the RDWC res the same? Or do I just top up all the time? I know I have to change the whole res just before I flip but if I have to do it every week I don't think I could afford all that nutrient. The pic I have attached is for the smaller system but same thing.
 
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FennarioMike

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So, I'm knee deep into my first DWC system. I have individual buckets with net pots for the veg room and an Under Current 2 x 6 system for flowering. I'm getting to the tail end of veg and I have to finish building the flower room before I can put that system together. But what I've learned so far...

DWC, whether it RDWC or not - maximizes the plant's nutrient needs pretty perfectly, but there's almost zero margin for error. With these systems, when something goes wrong, which it will, the results can be catastrophic literally within a day. It's a lot like owning a formula 1 race car - sure, you can probably make it go, but it won't go turbo until you really get it dialed in. Soil, and even cocoa or rock wool, gives you much more room to be able to withstand mistakes or environmental extremes.

Chiller - absolutely necessary. Even if you are perfectly diligent with maintaining disinfectant levels, cool water temps will keep bad bugs from growing so fast, giving the disinfectants a better chance to work, and roots at their best. Example - an air pump failure can cause root rot to set in in less than a day. Even if you catch it relatively soon, a thin layer of bacteria will stop root growth entirely until the problem is corrected and new roots grow through. I had a main line from and air pump come partially dislodged for a night, and even just that caused my roots to turn beige instead of bright white. I'm still battling it a week and a half later. I was lucky it didn't come completely off. Another time, a bucket was sitting on an air line for a day and same result. These problems cost time, which costs resources - and $$. These are costs that are hard to calculate.

Yeah, you really want to be changing nutes weekly, unless your roots are perfect and you're confident in the bacteria levels. But for your first grow, I'd err on the side of caution and change it out weekly. A lost 2 weeks of growth due to a problem will cost more that the extra water and nutes. Also, every single change, every single time - clean every single component with bleach. Buckets, air stones... all of it - every week. It's a lot of work with individual buckets - even when they are connected - it all has to be drained and disinfected every time or else you are just re-seeding the new batch of nutes with bacteria. It's also hard to maintain a beneficial bacteria count when you also need to kill off the bad bacteria. Some people can maintain their system with only chillers and beneficials - but it's really taking a risk.

I'm learning as I go, even though I thought I had it all researched. Each lesson costs me time, resources and $ - hopefully I'll keep improving.

A power failure can easily destroy everything. With that water sitting with no chiller or air pump - it's going to die pretty quick.

If you can't afford to lose an entire crop if something fails, don't do it. With so many crucial components, there are so many points of failure.

Oh, another thing to consider... A 6 or 8 pot system is going to be 20+ gallons at a minimum per week. Depending on your water quality, you'll probably want to use RO water. You can buy it at Wal Mart for .88/gal - that's a lot of work to be hauling 25 gallons a week - and expense. A little RO unit will be ~$250 and you can make your own. It puts out a trickle of water, and wastes as much as it makes, but over the course of a day, it can fill your mix tank.

Huge mistake #1... Don't flood your basement - like I did... This little RO comes with a hose adapter to hook up to a sink. I put in a hose adapter onto a faucet, then put a Y adapter with valves and connected the RO to that. My thought was that I could still use the faucet while the RO was connected. I hooked everything up at the end of a night of work, tested the RO, shut it off (so it wouldn't spring a leak in the night) and went to bed. The next day, about 11 am I went downstairs to find water spraying from the sink all the way across the room and about an inch of water covering everything. I had shut the water off at the valve on the Y adapter, and not at the faucet. The hose adapter on the faucet (which was brand new) split. This is a finished basement mother in-law apartment - kitchen bathroom, bedroom and living room with wall to wall carpet. Fuck... I'm in the middle of this mistake right now - waiting for the insurance claim to go through and start rebuilding. I need to build the flower room back 1st because these ones will be done in veg very soon.

So DWC = Water. Water + gravity + home living area = issues waiting to happen... Just plan for the worst case scenario and it won't happen.
 
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FennarioMike

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Before the flood, the plants were in the basement which was too cold at night and the humidity was too low. When the basement flooded, it took most of that day to get the standing water pumped out and a chunk of the water sucked out of the carpets. They were still soaked, just not getting any wetter. I had to scramble to get a grow tent so I could move everything upstairs - because my cat LOVES to eat growing tips... At about 11 pm that night when I moved the plants upstairs and into the tent, I noticed the humidity was 65% because of the soaked carpets. After the next day in the tent, the plants had grown up to 2" overnight! The humidity had been my limiting factor and I learned it through this stupidly expensive mistake,
 
Juicin

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You can DIY a chiller with an old freezer

I've seen some one do that.

He was reporting a 5 degree drop and he wasn't taking up most of the space in a normal residential box freezer that opens from the top.

His name eludes me or I'd give him credit... Even was on youtube. Search brings up a bunch of overcomplicated stuff though. He just punched two holes in the freezer, coiled up some hose/piping then piped it back out the other hole. Increased your pump size a bit but now you have a bit freezer space and a chiller.
 
kbellfoy

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You can DIY a chiller with an old freezer

I've seen some one do that.

He was reporting a 5 degree drop and he wasn't taking up most of the space in a normal residential box freezer that opens from the top.

His name eludes me or I'd give him credit... Even was on youtube. Search brings up a bunch of overcomplicated stuff though. He just punched two holes in the freezer, coiled up some hose/piping then piped it back out the other hole. Increased your pump size a bit but now you have a bit freezer space and a chiller.

Iv seen this done with one if them small beer chiller fridges. Cool idea. I don't mind buying a chiller tbh.
 
kbellfoy

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So, I'm knee deep into my first DWC system. I have individual buckets with net pots for the veg room and an Under Current 2 x 6 system for flowering. I'm getting to the tail end of veg and I have to finish building the flower room before I can put that system together. But what I've learned so far...

DWC, whether it RDWC or not - maximizes the plant's nutrient needs pretty perfectly, but there's almost zero margin for error. With these systems, when something goes wrong, which it will, the results can be catastrophic literally within a day. It's a lot like owning a formula 1 race car - sure, you can probably make it go, but it won't go turbo until you really get it dialed in. Soil, and even cocoa or rock wool, gives you much more room to be able to withstand mistakes or environmental extremes.

Chiller - absolutely necessary. Even if you are perfectly diligent with maintaining disinfectant levels, cool water temps will keep bad bugs from growing so fast, giving the disinfectants a better chance to work, and roots at their best. Example - an air pump failure can cause root rot to set in in less than a day. Even if you catch it relatively soon, a thin layer of bacteria will stop root growth entirely until the problem is corrected and new roots grow through. I had a main line from and air pump come partially dislodged for a night, and even just that caused my roots to turn beige instead of bright white. I'm still battling it a week and a half later. I was lucky it didn't come completely off. Another time, a bucket was sitting on an air line for a day and same result. These problems cost time, which costs resources - and $$. These are costs that are hard to calculate.

Yeah, you really want to be changing nutes weekly, unless your roots are perfect and you're confident in the bacteria levels. But for your first grow, I'd err on the side of caution and change it out weekly. A lost 2 weeks of growth due to a problem will cost more that the extra water and nutes. Also, every single change, every single time - clean every single component with bleach. Buckets, air stones... all of it - every week. It's a lot of work with individual buckets - even when they are connected - it all has to be drained and disinfected every time or else you are just re-seeding the new batch of nutes with bacteria. It's also hard to maintain a beneficial bacteria count when you also need to kill off the bad bacteria. Some people can maintain their system with only chillers and beneficials - but it's really taking a risk.

I'm learning as I go, even though I thought I had it all researched. Each lesson costs me time, resources and $ - hopefully I'll keep improving.

A power failure can easily destroy everything. With that water sitting with no chiller or air pump - it's going to die pretty quick.

If you can't afford to lose an entire crop if something fails, don't do it. With so many crucial components, there are so many points of failure.

Oh, another thing to consider... A 6 or 8 pot system is going to be 20+ gallons at a minimum per week. Depending on your water quality, you'll probably want to use RO water. You can buy it at Wal Mart for .88/gal - that's a lot of work to be hauling 25 gallons a week - and expense. A little RO unit will be ~$250 and you can make your own. It puts out a trickle of water, and wastes as much as it makes, but over the course of a day, it can fill your mix tank.

Huge mistake #1... Don't flood your basement - like I did... This little RO comes with a hose adapter to hook up to a sink. I put in a hose adapter onto a faucet, then put a Y adapter with valves and connected the RO to that. My thought was that I could still use the faucet while the RO was connected. I hooked everything up at the end of a night of work, tested the RO, shut it off (so it wouldn't spring a leak in the night) and went to bed. The next day, about 11 am I went downstairs to find water spraying from the sink all the way across the room and about an inch of water covering everything. I had shut the water off at the valve on the Y adapter, and not at the faucet. The hose adapter on the faucet (which was brand new) split. This is a finished basement mother in-law apartment - kitchen bathroom, bedroom and living room with wall to wall carpet. Fuck... I'm in the middle of this mistake right now - waiting for the insurance claim to go through and start rebuilding. I need to build the flower room back 1st because these ones will be done in veg very soon.

So DWC = Water. Water + gravity + home living area = issues waiting to happen... Just plan for the worst case scenario and it won't happen.


Wow this gives me something to think about. So many things I hadn't thought of. Just soil is getting physically hard for me but sounds like RDWC is harder. My system would have 260 litres in it at least without taking in to account the 100 liter water tank. Hmmmmmm sounds like it's not for me. I'm sorry to hear about your flood and I really hope you get it sorted out. Maybe I should just do like 2 hydro in buckets and the rest soil so I can see how I go. Failure is not an option for me. Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to me as I can see you have your hands full. Much appreciated.
 
visajoe1

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The only DIY chiller that is worth making is one using a dehuey. The other methods suck, not worth it. Look on craigslist for a chiller, you may be able to find a great deal there. Otherwise, you just need to buy one
 
kbellfoy

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The only DIY chiller that is worth making is one using a dehuey. The other methods suck, not worth it. Look on craigslist for a chiller, you may be able to find a great deal there. Otherwise, you just need to buy one

Yes I don't mind buying one. I'm not good at diy stuff anyway.
 
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