it has happened again. poor roots

[Hossgrows]

good point , the soil was 19oC , some nights it might have dropped down to 16-17 degrees and it rarely went over 21.
I dont think this helped. with my next grow i am going to leave my heat mat under the pot and perhaps have it come on half way through the dark period ....whats a good soil temp ? 22 oC?

I'm not sure, being I grow outside. But I would think something in the upper 60°F range, or better.

I start seedlings indoors,with Ambient temp of around 73°F and no heat mat. But their off the floor at counter height, and wrapped in a blanket to help retain heat while lights are off.

I use the soil from my garden mixed with some potting soil, saturated days before planting the germinated seed. Then I only need to water lightly when needed, and don't worry about dry spots.

My way of tempering them to the soil in which they will eventually be planted in permanently.

 

[carlosescobar]

I'm not sure, being I grow outside. But I would think something in the upper 60°F range, or better.

I start seedlings indoors,with Ambient temp of around 73°F and no heat mat. But their off the floor at counter height, and wrapped in a blanket to help retain heat while lights are off.
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I use the soil from my garden mixed with some potting soil, saturated days before planting the germinated seed. Then I only need to water lightly when needed, and don't worry about dry spots.

My way of tempering them to the soil in which they will eventually be planted in permanently.

what nutrients do you use? organic or synthetic...i would like to do an organic grow but that means i can't use ph down or big bud.
ive just got my pots ready and soaked them , just need to get the temps up now

 

[Hossgrows]

what nutrients do you use? organic or synthetic...i would like to do an organic grow but that means i can't use ph down or big bud.
ive just got my pots ready and soaked them , just need to get the temps up now

I use buckets of fish carcasses, composted horse and cow manure, peat moss, grass clippings, leaves, kitchen waste, critters digging under my shed, road kills too.

Definitely, organic. But I played w some bloom nutes ( FF Tiger bloom) for shits n giggles. Didn't hurt anything, not sure if it helped... maybe a little. Still learning my limitations on feeding. Last year taught me they can handle more than what I have given them. I played it safe...killed plenty by over fertilizing, as a kid trying gorilla grows using dry fertilizerers.

Lots more info on growing out there now, with the Internet, and growing forums like this one, today.

I grew up a farm boy, for the most part. So I have some knowledge of growing things. Can still get liquid nitrogen, but it's so easy to kill a plant with it. If it gets on any of the foliage, stems, ect. it will burn it because the salt is Soo high.

It's pretty hard to over do it with actual organics. In soil its more forgiving cause it takes longer to break down before it can be used by the plant. As said....feed the soil, not the plant.

 

[Putthataway]

I think this is a watering issue. When I first joined here after advice I reduced water on the next grow. I had that small rootball like you have. When I asked about it on here someone chimed in I wasn’t giving it enough water for a plant its size. Next grow kicked it up some and the roots fill up for me.

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

they should keep growing till they hit the sides and bottom

Roots usually don't grow near the sides of fabric pots due to gas exchange through the fabric. It's called air pruning. (Roots can be pruned.) They avoid dry spaces in the soil. The roots can be drawn toward the edge by watering near the edge (away from the stem), but they'll still avoid the dry space near the fabric. Most root growth occurs during vegetation, so that's the time to encourage them to go wide and deep by applying strategic watering practices.

 

[carlosescobar]

I use buckets of fish carcasses, composted horse and cow manure, peat moss, grass clippings, leaves, kitchen waste, critters digging under my shed, road kills too.

Definitely, organic. But I played w some bloom nutes ( FF Tiger bloom) for shits n giggles. Didn't hurt anything, not sure if it helped... maybe a little. Still learning my limitations on feeding. Last year taught me they can handle more than what I have given them. I played it safe...killed plenty by over fertilizing, as a kid trying gorilla grows using dry fertilizerers.

Lots more info on growing out there now, with the Internet, and growing forums like this one, today.

I grew up a farm boy, for the most part. So I have some knowledge of growing things. Can still get liquid nitrogen, but it's so easy to kill a plant with it. If it gets on any of the foliage, stems, ect. it will burn it because the salt is Soo high.

It's pretty hard to over do it with actual organics. In soil its more forgiving cause it takes longer to break down before it can be used by the plant. As said....feed the soil, not the plant.

ive been out this morning collecting rabbit droppings which ive got steeping in some warm water, going to water the pot with that pre planting (ive got some michrizhae in there) ive found an organic NPK and an organic trace element feed/biostimulant...aside from that i think one of my major problems is the light is too far away..20 inches.

 

[carlosescobar]

Roots usually don't grow near the sides of fabric pots due to gas exchange through the fabric. It's called air pruning. (Roots can be pruned.) They avoid dry spaces in the soil. The roots can be drawn toward the edge by watering near the edge (away from the stem), but they'll still avoid the dry space near the fabric. Most root growth occurs during vegetation, so that's the time to encourage them to go wide and deep by applying strategic watering practices.

ive got a watering tube on the side of the pot which lays across the bottom (on top of a layer of clay pebbles) which should help water it from the bottom.

 

[carlosescobar]

I think this is a watering issue. When I first joined here after advice I reduced water on the next grow. I had that small rootball like you have. When I asked about it on here someone chimed in I wasn’t giving it enough water for a plant its size. Next grow kicked it up some and the roots fill up for me.

you might be right...i did notice on a couple of occasions that my water wasn't getting right down to the bottom...i think i was so detemined not to kill it i have given it too little water/nutes and light .

 

[amneziaHaze]

I did leave all the leaves on until they went yellow and crispy, that pic was just before i chopped it , this is what it looked like before.

that tells you all leaves are not supossed to go yellow and crispy you can have a plant for 2 years if you take care of it properly it will never change color.
next time feed/water better