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Wow, how the heck did I miss this awesome thread? I was even quoted in it, and everything!
Seamaiden brings up some good points too. Honestly Sea I am not 100% sure that chem salt ferts being the same as what microbes poop is correct either. All I was saying is that you CAN use a small amount of chem ferts at low dilution with ACT, contrary to what many claim. I was also trying to point out that the statements made by many organic growers about how you can never use ammonium N when growing organically is not correct. However I cannot say for sure if, for example, the ammonium in the organic blood meal I use would be the same as the ammonium in say Grow More. I would guess they are different on the molecular level simply because ones is made from petroleum and one is made from animal blood but I do not know enough about chemistry to know if that is really true.
A lot of the info I got in regards high N organic inputs comes from a CCOF conference I went to last summer. The guy who did the workshop on organic N had a PhD in soil science and has spent many years researching the subject. They had found that the most productive soils were the ones with a balance of uric, ammonical and nitrate Nitrogen. Of course if you have good active soil biology, all you should have to add is organic N and the soil biology will break it down into other forms. The idea that you cannot use uric or ammonical N in organic gardening is very much a "grower" idea from what I have seen. You tell that to an organic farmer and they will look at you like your at nuts!
FYI the plants I did with an organic 12-0-0 blood meal in their soil prep this year are kicking ass, I don't get why so many people are against using it! It is a cheap, renewable, organic source of N that is a by-product of another industry - how much more organic can you get? Plus I know Seamaiden has been using uric N with good results too, right?
Seamaiden brings up some good points too. Honestly Sea I am not 100% sure that chem salt ferts being the same as what microbes poop is correct either. All I was saying is that you CAN use a small amount of chem ferts at low dilution with ACT, contrary to what many claim. I was also trying to point out that the statements made by many organic growers about how you can never use ammonium N when growing organically is not correct. However I cannot say for sure if, for example, the ammonium in the organic blood meal I use would be the same as the ammonium in say Grow More. I would guess they are different on the molecular level simply because ones is made from petroleum and one is made from animal blood but I do not know enough about chemistry to know if that is really true.
A lot of the info I got in regards high N organic inputs comes from a CCOF conference I went to last summer. The guy who did the workshop on organic N had a PhD in soil science and has spent many years researching the subject. They had found that the most productive soils were the ones with a balance of uric, ammonical and nitrate Nitrogen. Of course if you have good active soil biology, all you should have to add is organic N and the soil biology will break it down into other forms. The idea that you cannot use uric or ammonical N in organic gardening is very much a "grower" idea from what I have seen. You tell that to an organic farmer and they will look at you like your at nuts!
FYI the plants I did with an organic 12-0-0 blood meal in their soil prep this year are kicking ass, I don't get why so many people are against using it! It is a cheap, renewable, organic source of N that is a by-product of another industry - how much more organic can you get? Plus I know Seamaiden has been using uric N with good results too, right?