Yeah I have researched the kind K5 7500 and the XL 1000. The only reason that I want to invest in one is because my partner about six months ago went completely LED and his stuff is just perfect! I'm going to look around for those cheaper ones like you said those those plants look great! I'm focusing on the par, spectrum, and wattage. Other things like 2 and 3 Watt chips versus just 3 watt or the 10 watt, the duo ocular lens that kind has, the 12 band Spectrum someone else told me to it has to do with certain parts that they're using I don't know how true that is a diode is a diode is a diode I guess I don't know. I'm also looking at the cob panels and bulbs. But for now I'm rocking my trusty old 6 HPS and a 1000 watt I'm doing fine before I spend almost two grand on a light I'm probably going to wait at least until Christmas. I appreciate the tip man there's so many out there and that they just seem to have popped up overnight it's kind of overwhelming. Thanks again have a good weekend.