Legalization 2012 Ballot measure is released

JeromeGarcia · May 20, 2011

There are 8 versions. They are only different in Titles, and some verbiage, or so I've been told - I've not yet verified this.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/LCS/Init...InitRefr.nsf/dac421ef79ad243487256def0067c1de

GhostFace · May 20, 2011

cant wait to see this crap_ :rasta:

JeromeGarcia · May 20, 2011

My issue with it is the outdoor growing seems to be illegal!!!

DonJuanMatus · May 20, 2011

if outdoor is illegal that isn't remotely close to legalization, its control...what they're doing is eliminating the chance of anyone being able to grow in they're backyard for free so they are dependent on buying it from somewhere...because most people even when legal wont want to have a grow in they're house and/or waste money on high power bills...what a joke

GhostFace · May 20, 2011

what they dont know wont hurt them ;) da_underground will still live strong here in the usa and CO :rasta: the hell with regulations and control as they see fit_alot of stuff in this legalization bill is not going to be good in so many ways and for so many people. time will tell

rockymtnbuds · May 20, 2011

Does any one really believe one of these bills could actually be passed? And if any type of legal restrictions remain in place then its not legalization. What a joke.

DoobyScoo · May 20, 2011

Well, here we go.
Only read the top one, #36.
Clearly, we are defining 'recreational sales over MMJ', as stated in Sec 16.7.
But the line is blurry in an Amendment to OUR Amendment.
(Edit: I reread it and we are ammending the Articles not Amendment 20)

Sec 16.2.N
What constitutes a 'reasonably prudent business person', with respect to taxation and barriers to entry?

Sec 16.3.B
Bullshit!
That will be construed and abused to prosecute people like no other.
And we already know that many people need more than three. Plants die!

16.4.
Licesnsing process???
Just going to leave it up to the State Gov to figure out what that is?

16.5
ARTICLE 4 OF TITLE 24 OF THE COLORADO ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE ACT
30 pages, hoping someone else knows what it is.

16.5.A.2
Almost sets a 5k limit, but then leaves a loophole.

16.5.B
"competitive application process"!?!
Like Oak-Town?

16.5.D
15% sales tax loophole for MMCs.

16.5. All of it
"The Devil is in the Details"

16.7
Seems good addition. Difference between Medical vs. Recreational protections.

Feedback appreciated. But I feel I lost some respect for Mason after reading it.

Interesting to see what the other camps come out with.

Green Mopho · May 21, 2011

I don't see it wise to go back and change Am. 20, as this could potentially de-legitimize the current medical laws and be used as a tool to repeal the entire amendment all together. Blurring the lines between medicinal and recreational may not be the best way to go right now, at least not on paper (since its already blurred in reality).

jeffadies · May 21, 2011

So if this goes down what will be the advantages or disadvantages of having my red card? If i read it right it looks like nothing will change for us med users but if its legal statewide for adults then whats the point of paying my yearly application fees? any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Trollin · May 21, 2011

any first step into legalization is a good one...so much negative emotions flowing thru this industry lately...not sure whats up with that.

cannarado · May 21, 2011

Doesnt matter if they legalize it. You think the feds wil let that fly? They wont bust everyone they just hold federal funding for everything and then the people of the state will vote to make it illegal again

Texas Kid · May 21, 2011

There will be no legalization without reclassification by the FDA to something less than a Schedule 1 narcotic. Until than any legalization measure is just the same as we have now, federally illegal.

Statewide in Colorado they have already decriminalized possesion up to an 1oz for everyone over 21, so we kind of have a little taste of it now but no great impact that I can tell.

Tex

chickenman · May 21, 2011

Just look at all the stupid ass regulations they are attempting to impose like they have with mmc centers.Thinking we were better off like it was in the good old days when we hid in bushes and smoked. So many reasons for Feds to keep us from using, growing, selling a weed. No power to the people. Its about absoult control. Even if legalized they cant control a garden, monitor who sells, Buys, collect taxes, LOL good luck, on that. Also I do believe they feel threatned by us because we see how corrupt they are and the truth hurts!!! I say fuck em all, grow on, just be smart, keep it small and simple. If more people fiqured out how to grow for themselfs WTF would they do then. I would love some day if everbody got pounds of seeds and scatter them all over. Could plant seeds at cop shops, parks, all over town. could you imagine LEO pullin up thousands of plants. Oh my God there everywhere!!!...Kinda like the govt. does to us, look here while we do this... LOL...CM

Texas Kid · May 21, 2011

At a government level they still need to be able to throw people in jail/prison. If they could find another crime to focus on and toss people in jail at the same rate as drug/marijuana offenses they would be all over it.

I think something like 65% of people in prison are there for drug related offenses and of those 80% are there for marijuana...Prison is big business, big money, big corruption, and big politics.

Tex

altitudefarmer · May 21, 2011

...and the privatization of said prisons... big fuckin money. Welcome to the Walt Disney Criminal Justice Center.
The state just wants your money, same as the fed. Be smart enough to keep your cash!

DoobyScoo · May 21, 2011

Green Mopho said:
I don't see it wise to go back and change Am. 20, as this could potentially de-legitimize the current medical laws and be used as a tool to repeal the entire amendment all together. Blurring the lines between medicinal and recreational may not be the best way to go right now, at least not on paper (since its already blurred in reality).

I reread it again with a fresh head and we are ammending the Articles not Am 20. Just a little confusing to me at first, until I found this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_State_of_Colorado#ARTICLE_XVIII._Miscellaneous

But I still have issue with some of the details in the proposal.
Where is the line drawn between conceding to Public opinion and setting us up to get fucked.

true grit · May 21, 2011

Trollin said:
any first step into legalization is a good one...so much negative emotions flowing thru this industry lately...not sure whats up with that.

Not really, and thats the mentality that ends up with a 1284 like measure.

Texas Kid said:
There will be no legalization without reclassification by the FDA to something less than a Schedule 1 narcotic. Until than any legalization measure is just the same as we have now, federally illegal.

Statewide in Colorado they have already decriminalized possesion up to an 1oz for everyone over 21, so we kind of have a little taste of it now but no great impact that I can tell.

Tex

Even without reclassification, further decriminalization seems much more logical to me. Such as decrim of private growing, possession and sales for adults over 21. Not the best model to go by- but basically like adults in Oakland.

JeromeGarcia · May 22, 2011

Break down of the 8 versions.
4 versions make industrial hemp as different than marijuana. 4 do not.

So there are really 4 versions of the bill
1. Has TABOR language in it
2. Does not have TABOR language in it.
3. Says taxes form marijuana are earmarked for schools.
4. Damn I forgot about what this one was....<sigh> Perhaps it was just NOT having the taxes go to schools.

The bill is not what we all want. It is what has a strong chance at passing though since it is obviously crafted with many compromises.

Summation of bill:
1 oz possession
6 plants
enclosed structures for plants.
tax on non med mj
???
use existing and new dispensaries.

Jarofunk · May 22, 2011

cannarado said:
Doesnt matter if they legalize it. You think the feds wil let that fly? They wont bust everyone they just hold federal funding for everything and then the people of the state will vote to make it illegal again

This may have worked a decade ago. But these days the Feds don't have any $$$. The threat of withholding funding isn't really a card they have to play anymore. Hell they don't even have the $$ to prosecute people on the medical raids they are doing now>>> that's why they are robbing them and leaving.

SLO Grown · May 22, 2011

It's due to pass...

Legalization 2012 Ballot measure is released

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