Keep an eye on the bubba cross for herms as well. It was his bubba s1s that I ran, so very good chance that was the reason in itself, but I seem to remember another bubba cross he made that had problems too. I don't think he did a re worked version of the dbl sfv, he didnt even do much more work with it at all actually, which i didnt understand. Dude made way too many crosses, would never just focus on breeding the quality line and just being happy with having a few well made strains, it was always whats the newest clones going. After the first lemon larry drop at bcbd he tossed his original male for his lemon larry and started to us a new male from the f2s, because he liked it more. But then of course lemon larry wasnt the same anymore, so if people that have those got them after the first ever release the won't find the ones like in this thread. Man I argues with him over that, I mean sure try it out and see if its nice, but you dont toss the male that made the strain. Anyway, thats enough talking about elite, aside from actual questions about genetics and that kind of thing. Like ive always said, he was good to me, so you know, but he endangered so many people and I learned so many things that I just cant stand behind him for lack of better phrasing. Anyway, I shouldnt talk about people that can't defend themselves, so thats plenty, thats my reasoning for that. So, ya, watch that bubba, lol.