Let's talk about fermented plant juice

[organicozarks]

I use molasses in mine, and the 500:1 seems way to light to me. 1-2 oz. per gallon works well. Also 1 oz./gallon foliar does well. I don't foliar feed when I am using compost tea though. I would prefer the compost tea be the only microbes on the plant.

 

[Seamaiden]

I recall that, yes. And I don't use any sugars of any sort in mine and my dilution ratios are in the 10:1 and under range.

 

[mazar111]

seamaiden many company use molasese or similar in part of there produkts for late stages of flowering. tell us pls what u use when got to flush for last 2 weeks before harvest for mg and iron def and how to make suger rise in plants , i think is difiicult to regulate sugar production when all big fans was cut and liitel one do not make enough sugers for plant?? i think that u use lite feeding but u results are great .

 

[Seamaiden]

I don't flush. I grow organically and use sugars either for teas, or use at very low rates with the goal being to keep soil microbe populations high. When I say very low rates, I'm talking about 15mls/3-4 liters of water, or well under 5mls/liter.

I have also used other sugars. However, getting nutrition information on them is difficult for me here in the states because of the rules that govern who must report what. They only do what they absolutely have to.

 

[mazar111]

ahamm 15 ml / 5 liters is enough . maybe u use very light veganic feed or your plant get all from soil mix.tnks for ansler

 

[Seamaiden]

Mazar, YES, I am an organic grower and I feed the soil. Not necessarily vegan, because I do use lots of animal products and have no moral issues doing that. Mostly, I'm cheap.

Btw, thanks for participating. I know that English is a very difficult language, even for native speakers. :)

 

[mazar111]

i am from east erope . i am from BULGARIA and yes for me difficult some times .:):)

 

[Seamaiden]

Then I'm sure you can see that your English is far superior to my Bulgarian. I mean, jeez, just learning a new alphabet..?

 

[mazar111]

interesting why u do this why u whant to lern new languge like bulgarian :):)we have very ugly words ,many americans here traing to say difficult letters like ц = tz or ts , ь = u from ugly
or first щ= ts or tz :):) ж = j , й = y , x=h , we have 1300 years old history with to meny bloody twists and wars with different language nations , but all bulgarian alfabetic come from ancient greek preachers who lives over bulgarian lands . they names are kiril and metody brothers and they are founders at all bulgarian, rusian( and all USSR old republics like ukraina belarus litunia and so on.....) , serbian makedonian , monte negro , hurvatian, poland , schesh slovakian alfabetics.

 

[Seamaiden]

Oh, I am not sure I can learn Bulgarian any more easily than I have been able to learn Spanish. But, I absolutely respect your ability to learn another difficult language and its alphabet. And yes! Bulgaria seems to figure into quite a lot of early European history, going back to the Romans... yes?

 

[mazar111]

yes our history is very old,and its word it that other people to learn it more.I live in very old town called Plovdiv/Philipopolis/.Here are some pics from it.If u wish i can give u some info because its very beautiful here,but our iconomic is very poor and our politics are corupt,growers are ignore and what they do is very stelt.Here are some pics from it) second pic showw 3 little hills over 100-150 meters in town where is good plase to look all town and just chill out with friends):

 

[oregonized]

glycosides are also important is this conversation.

it was actually brought to my attention by an arch enemy, lol.

This has been my topic of research for the last 2-3 months. Some monoterpenes are considered glycosides.

start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycosides

I have nothing against molasses, however, breaking down lignin in plants, releases the same complex carbohydrates contained in blackstrap molasses if attacked by the proper enzyme under hydrolysis.Personally, I stopped using it and don't regret it.
My fpe's are solely relied upon and its mainly just common weeds..

Compost tea also has me fascinated. I just read somewhere, [Rodale's?] that properly finished compost is 90% carbohydrates by volume, interesting.......

 

[Mogrow]

yes our history is very old,and its word it that other people to learn it more.I live in very old town called Plovdiv/Philipopolis/.Here are some pics from it.If u wish i can give u some info because its very beautiful here,but our iconomic is very poor and our politics are corupt,growers are ignore and what they do is very stelt.Here are some pics from it) second pic showw 3 little hills over 100-150 meters in town where is good plase to look all town and just chill out with friends):

Mazar, your town is cool, so different than mine. so is that a old roman amphitheater ?

 

[Seamaiden]

glycosides are also important is this conversation.

it was actually brought to my attention by an arch enemy, lol.

This has been my topic of research for the last 2-3 months. Some monoterpenes are considered glycosides.

start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycosides

I have nothing against molasses, however, breaking down lignin in plants, releases the same complex carbohydrates contained in blackstrap molasses if attacked by the proper enzyme under hydrolysis.Personally, I stopped using it and don't regret it.
My fpe's are solely relied upon and its mainly just common weeds..

Compost tea also has me fascinated. I just read somewhere, [Rodale's?] that properly finished compost is 90% carbohydrates by volume, interesting.......

I'm going to need you to expand on that, including the bit about molasses.

 

[shaganja]

The big four when it comes to plant extracts are Comfrey, Stinging Nettle, Yarrow and Dandelion.
Find them, grow them, love them.
All you have to do is put some of the plant material in a container with water and let sit for 3-5 weeks. The smell will knock your socks off but the plants will love you for it.
It's best to ferment each seperately.
You can add lacto b or EM for smell control but it's not necessary.
Here's a little diddy on Comfrey.

I wanna do dandelions. Do I need the flower too? Or just the leaf?

 

[wtfdaemon]

I was mostly asking because fulvic acid can inhibit microbial growth,

This was my understanding of why you use it primarily for foliar feeding.

 

[oldskol4evr]

I wanna do dandelions. Do I need the flower too? Or just the leaf?

what ever you decide to use be sure to do it before sunup,all the nutrients are stored in nthe plant at the max while dark ,the new tips are full from feeding ,when the sun comes up it filters back into the lower end of plant ,just saying,the best and ideal canadite,is the very fresh tips of the new growth loaded with nutrients your after,so you can harvest the flowers too but the best is the new shoots,just do a 1 to 1 weight of material used to same weight brown sugar or molases then ferment