Long time grower - Back at it - Interesting Genetics.

Thatoneguyyouknow_ · Aug 10, 2024

@mellingwood91 I was mainly talking about trifoliates/polyploidism being mainly just a novelty lol. Not creeper or vine phenos.

Here's a cool thing. This is the fasciated cristate/reverted branch on my trifoliate OJ x BB.

It is forming a cristata and a reverted whorled shoot in the exact same manner a polyploid/fasciated san pedro cactus eventually will lol.

I just find this stuff fascinating lol.

Both have the exact same mutation, expressing the exact same way. Whorled phyllotaxy revert off to the side, cristata formation and everything. This branch will eventually form a flower just like the "polyploidism" photo in that article. A flower itself growing in that manner is called a "cristata" the branch deformation is "fasciation", and the number of leaves being higher then normal from the cotyledons is the part called polyploidism, technically speaking.

You seem like a man of learning as well, so you may find all that interesting too. These particular anomalies stacking in this manner is somewhat common in most flowering plants. And never does it not look cool as shit.

I do have a creeper pheno here though ;) And ill me making lots of S1s of her. She's a leviathan of a plant.

mellingwood91 · Aug 10, 2024

Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
Ive made some grafted clone mothers to keep under a legal plant count before. That's the only time ive ever implemented grafting with cannabis. Only viable course ive ever come up with for it. The scions break free even after hardening often too. Viable as far as makes sense for a specific purpose. I have Had a vine pheno before, one of the sisters of the mother of my peaceblaster (Moonsocket/glue dream cookies) was a vine pheno. I consider them almost a nuisance. They are difficult to take care of if you are not expecting it to happen. I supposed you could rig up some cool setups with them hops/gourde style, but if i can, i like to see what individual phenotypes actually want to do as a full plant before i make any decision what to actually do with them, if anything.

I let trifoliates do what they do. As far as the vine phenos go, for my purposes, i would just do the same i did for the one i've had. Cull it because i don't want to deal with a plant that wants to grow like that lmao.

I can get down with a creeper pheno, you dont really have to defoliate or top them, and at worst you just end up yo-yoing them, or side trellising them in pb1's case, but they definitely out yield plants with normal node spacing and lateral branching, thats for sure. Even indoors if you prune them properly.

I imagine the same would be true, and then some with a vine pheno, i just dont wanna fuss with having to grow something like that. Im glad i dont grow hops or gourdes personally. I've grown them before

The purposes I see grafting for for myself:
1. Keeping genetics going thru winter for clones in spring
2. growing autos on photo rootstocks. Really excited for a side by side experiment. That's what id like vine kinda stuff for rootstock.
I like pin my indoor girls down in a circle anyway.

I want to try some live cloning too, train a branch towards another pot, strip a shoot, clonex it, bury it, cut it off mother after a few weeks.

mellingwood91 · Aug 10, 2024

Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
"polyploidism"

That's a cristata formed at the end of a fasciated branch, thats the mutation i was talking about being common in trifoliate seedlings if they revert. i kinda consider them umbrella'd under trifoliate reverts.... somewhat.

Yea ive had every mutation on that page at least 1 time lol.

A crested san pedro is the same mutation as a cristata forming at the end of a fasciated branch, cannabis just isn't a perennial. A cactus is, so it hangs around lonis

Is that what triploid seeds are? No right? The three fan leaf thing isn't same as polyploidism is it

Mikedin · Aug 10, 2024

Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
Steve Earle has a song about brewin moonshine planting seed from columbia and mexico right here in these very mountain hollers after vietnam. And as far as i know, thats how all those legendary skunky sativas came to be. Copperhead Rd specifically is not far of a drive. Like 30 minutes toward knoxville lol.

We also never owned any slaves way on back in the day, none of the families from here including mine. We were all way too poor and way too Irish for that. Nor did we where we came from, fought way too hard for way too many hundreds of years against that kind of shit for all that nonsense. So we can still even get away with being publicly prideful in our southern heritage these days.

One of my favorite songs!

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

Mikedin said:
One of my favorite songs!

Aren’t you grafting? These guys were just talking about it still have Hydra?

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

mellingwood91 said:
Is that what triploid seeds are? No right? The three fan leaf thing isn't same as polyploidism is it

Triploid has an extra chromosome! Diploid, To chroma zones, triploid three! I’ve got one in the ground now!

Thatoneguyyouknow_ · Aug 10, 2024

Mikedin said:
One of my favorite songs!

It's quite distant, but i did find out through my moms Ancestry.com thing im actually related to Steve Earle. Even excluding him though, i come from a long line of Irish hippie hillbilly's growin their weed and makin their moonshine in the tennessee hills lol.

Oldchucky said:
Triploid has an extra chromosome! Diploid, To chroma zones, triploid three! I’ve got one in the ground now!

You can actually pull multiple phenotypes from them sometimes. I did years ago. These plants are indeed technically chimeras when they are doing this. The one years ago was a pineapple purple skunk. I actually got 3 distinct phenos with very different growth and flower from that plant.

I cloned whorled reverted growth, and fully reverted growth from my OJ x BB triploid, may indeed actually get two slightly different phenos from her. One is making hand shaped leaves, the other symmetrical.

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

I just pay my money and put them in the ground! Don’t even know why I paid extra for this! Probably half lit!

Thatoneguyyouknow_ · Aug 10, 2024

Oldchucky said:
I just pay my money and put them in the ground! Don’t even know why I paid extra for this! Probably half lit!

well if it doesnt revert or go fasciated you will probably have a higher yielding plant then a non polyploid. And it may produce more then one expression of flower lol. That's pretty cool. And if it does produce a cristata, those things are seriously cool looking. Cant wait to see mine lol.

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

So far, nothing strange! Other than being very robust! Kind of like an F350 as opposed to an F150! L O L! We’ll see what happens!

Thatoneguyyouknow_ · Aug 10, 2024

This is about what im expecting my fasciated branch on the trifoliate to look like come flower lol.

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

I hope you get it! When I see a fasciated plant around here, that’s what I tell them! Grow it out! You might wind up with buds that look like caterpillars!

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

Fasciation, freak, some people out! I wish I could Luck into one!

Thatoneguyyouknow_ · Aug 10, 2024

Oldchucky said:
I hope you get it! When I see a fasciated plant around here, that’s what I tell them! Grow it out! You might wind up with buds that look like caterpillars!

I just find it really cool. The last time i grew outdoors in tennesse, the very last plant i grew here was a trifoliate that grew a fasciated branch.

First season back home, i get another.

@oldYou were mentioning the spiritual side of growing outdoors. It was a shame i had to cut this mimosa branch, but it grew right out over top of my plant with the fasciation.

Was sad to cut the branch, but being given that branch to cut almost felt like i was being given permission by the land to be here or something. It was really cool lol.

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
I just find it really cool. The last time i grew outdoors in tennesse, the very last plant i grew here was a trifoliate that grew a fasciated branch.

First season back home, i get another.

@oldYou were mentioning the spiritual side of growing outdoors. It was a shame i had to cut this mimosa branch, but it grew right out over top of my plants with the fasciation.

Was sad to cut the branch, but being given that branch to cut almost felt like i was being given permission by the land to be here or something. It was really cool lol.
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you have to do what you have to do brother! The magic part is that you felt something! And the leaving and coming back to Tennessee thing is a little Too much of a coincidence to ignore!

Thatoneguyyouknow_ · Aug 10, 2024

Oldchucky said:
you have to do what you have to do brother! The magic part is that you felt something! And the leaving and coming back to Tennessee thing is a little Too much of a coincidence to ignore!

I had to cut these mimosa tree's down to put my patch where i wanted :/

A couple were like 30 ft. But i didnt want to kill them. So after i cut them down, i started pruning them so they could grow back as small bushes.

Didn't even realize they were Giant legumes that feed plants just like clovers and shamrocks. By making sure they survived being cut down, adding all the mineral rich mountain loam, microlife pellets, compost and goat manure, im pretty sure i accidentally setup a giant outdoor version of a super soil full of natural legumes.

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
I had to cut these mimosa tree's down to put my patch where i wanted :/

A couple were like 30 ft. But i didnt want to kill them. So after i cut them down, i started pruning them so they could grow back as small bushes.

Didn't even realize they were Giant legumes that feed plants just like clovers and shamrocks. By making sure they survived being cut down, adding all the mineral rich mountain loam, microlife pellets, compost and goat manure, im pretty sure i accidentally setup a giant outdoor version of a super soil full of natural legumes.

Yeah, who knew? I’ll tell you who knew! One of the greatest minds of all time, George, Washington, carver! Watching all those old Farmer’s Kill their soil with cotton! Pried Their minds open with a crowbar finally, and talked them into planting peanuts! And the rest is history! Just one of his myriad of accomplishments! The black locust we were talking about is a nitrogen fixing plant!

Thatoneguyyouknow_ · Aug 10, 2024

Oldchucky said:
Yeah, who knew? I’ll tell you who knew! One of the greatest minds of all time, George, Washington, carver! Watching all those old Farmer’s Kill their soil with cotton! Pried Their minds open with a crowbar finally, and talked them into planting peanuts! And the rest is history! Just one of his myriad of accomplishments! The black locust we were talking about is a nitrogen fixing plant!

I did actually know mimosas were legumes. It just had no bearing on my thought process or decisions.

I noticed I hadn't had any yellow leaves or anything down low like I normally would have by now running plants this way. And every time it rains it looks like I've bottle fed em or something. Growth spurt and a quick deepening of color.

Then I remembered mimosas are legumes and fix nitrogen. And the rain was probably just freeing up nitrogen the mimosas were generating. I just hope it won't become a problem further into flower. Those mimosa roots def go deeper then my plants roots

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

I doubt it! Pot plants do a pretty good job of taking just what they need As long as you’re not forced feeding them tons of nitrogen! L O L!

Thatoneguyyouknow_ · Aug 11, 2024

Oldchucky said:
I doubt it! Pot plants do a pretty good job of taking just what they need As long as you’re not forced feeding them tons of nitrogen! L O L!

i know its unlikely, but (lol)

Every time it rains my plants get a noticeable boost in N. I can see it the day after every rain. Legumes fix nitrogen into the soil around their roots and it becomes available with moisture. I literally planted them right into the main root masses of several 25-30ft tall legume trees lol.

Mimosas also tend to contract a type of fusarium cannabis can catch when the weather goes chilly

Theyre just making me nervous. But im gonna leave them. If i end up with N tox or fusarium though, i def will be avoiding them in the future lol.

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