Long time grower - Back at it - Interesting Genetics.

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I had sent him a PM calling dibs... Guess I assed out.

That man smokes a lotta bud, and he does a lot of things. Seems quite the busy cat. If your too cautious and courteous he may end up forgetting lmfao.

I'm going to be making a post at some point with some tags to try and figure out who it was that I said I would give what. Because I don't remember anymore lmao

 

[Putthataway]

I had sent him a PM (when he was popping them) calling dibs... Guess I assed out.

I am not aware he’s sent any out yet. He’s been busy since that post with his kid doing dad stuff. He hasn’t responded to my pm yet.

 

[Putthataway]

That man smokes a lotta bud, and he does a lot of things. Seems quite the busy cat. If your too cautious and courteous he may end up forgetting lmfao.

I'm going to be making a post at some point with some tags to try and figure out who it was that I said I would give what. Because I don't remember anymore lmao

Me sunflowers and pb1

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Me sunflowers and pb1

You sure you wanna grow PB1 indoors?

PB2 would prob be a much better indoor phenotype. PB1 is sensitive to LEDs and ends up with a huge node spacing needing lots of training and pruning Indoors.

By all means I'll send ya some of her s1's though. Good luck; Godspeed good sir. I definitely want to see someone flower that planned out indoors, I'm definitely not going to

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Final non fem fall roster is in lol

Peaceblaster 2 x Haymeadow Purps
Peaceblaster 4 x Haymeadow
Tammy 1 x Haymeadow
Tammy 3 x haymeadow
(Pre 2010 Bubba x Gelato) X Haymeadow
Cali Blues x Haymeadow
(Cman x Okie) X Haymeadow
(PBBreath x Cman) x haymeadow
Durban Poison x Haymeadow
Black Ice x Haymeadow
Special Queen #1 x Haymeadow
Punch Pie x Haymeadow
Maui Wowie 86 x Haymeadow
Point Break CBG x Haymeadow
Ole Blue ( OJxBB pheno) x haymeadow

The non fem cuddle puddle will take place as scheduled, by the skin of its teeth lmao.

Other pics too.

 

[Eledin]

The frosties. Random shots from easy to access plants. I'll do the rest tomorrow. Too many mosquitos rn lol.

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Shout out from the hillbillies

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They are getting frosty! Cant wait to see those beatiful colas covered in bud.

 

[Olddude420]

They look great

 

[Itscheese94]

I havent sprayed any peaceblasters for any fungi. And ive only put citric acid on 2 so far. Biggs and OJ x BB2

Im very happy with the garden so far :)

The tammys and Mexi Red went out in early June i believe. Theyre my only one's i successfully kept smaller. Smaller def being a relative term.

Theres not much for scale in the photos, those plants are still over 6ft tall lol. Even the Mexi red cross

I stopped bug spraying probably a month or so ago. I did decide to do one last spraying as flower is starting a few days ago, but it was just horticultural oils and lower/larger fan leaves only. Ill probably do one more to help drive away any mites that have hatched since some time tomorrow

I haven't sprayed the tops of the plants or colas for any bugs, there's a mantis or spider claiming damn near every main cola

hello buddy would lemon n lime juice have the same affect. and would it be ok to spray flowers its been raining here like mad. and every year something rots would this help with the rot to.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

hello buddy would lemon n lime juice have the same affect. and would it be ok to spray flowers its been raining here like mad. and every year something rots would this help with the rot to.

Yes it would. Its just more expensive to use that then pure citric solutions. Citric is best applied when the plant is still wet from a rain. And don't reapply until after the next rain. Can even prevent bud rot used appropriately.


And no citric acid does not kill the vast majority of insects beneficial or otherwise. I've seen that get mentioned a bit on the farm. It's put in pesticides because it drives insects elsewhere. They don't like it. They go somewhere else, and it breaks down much slower then other compounds. It's there to prevent rapid re-infestation once the actual pesticides break down . The only citric acid solutions I've ever seen kill insects indiscriminately are pesticides containing it. And citric solutions containing a soap to break the waters surface tension, and in both cases, it is not the citric acid causing insect death. It will kill and prevent bacteria and fungi infection though. Very effectively. It's the most effective treatment for it ive ever seen work. I've never seen dead insects lying around after using it like i do with pyrethrin or spinosad. thats for sure. Ill see dead insects here and there for a day or two with pyrethrin. Ill see em for the next week straight with spinosad lol. If it rains within 12hrs or so of a spinosad or pyrethrin treatment, i even find dead earthworms on the surface of the topsoil.

It will drive away any Beneficial's. But it will also drive away many mites and pests all the same too.


If you treat a plant during times of extended fry weather with citric it can become phytotoxic. Heads up. But there's no real point in using it during times of drought anyway.


If you want to use citric solutions and remove any guess work and have convenient instructions, grower ally makes a really good citric solutions the greenhouse at the commercial facility in KC I worked at used.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Things are about to escalate quickly. Once again got a bit of an assembly line shaping up over here.

 

[Putthataway]

You sure you wanna grow PB1 indoors?

PB2 would prob be a much better indoor phenotype. PB1 is sensitive to LEDs and ends up with a huge node spacing needing lots of training and pruning Indoors.

By all means I'll send ya some of her s1's though. Good luck; Godspeed good sir. I definitely want to see someone flower that planned out indoors, I'm definitely not going to

Probably not a good and growing anything outdoors won’t work for me. Good looking out.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Probably not a good and growing anything outdoors won’t work for me. Good looking out.

Her and the mystery sativa s1's are gonna come with a "grow indoor under LED panels at your own risk" label lmao.

The larger scale mh/HPS growers could probably run em good. Would prob be total hell in an LED tent though lol. You could do it, but would take lots of repetitious veg training to fill her in. Shed probably be one of the highest yielding plants you've ever run if you bothered with all that. But it would greatly extend veg times too. When I call her a wild plant I don't mean crazy plant. I mean basically feral lmao. She is def a crazy plant though too lol

 

[cannafarmer420]

Final non fem fall roster is in lol

Peaceblaster 2 x Haymeadow Purps
Peaceblaster 4 x Haymeadow
Tammy 1 x Haymeadow
Tammy 3 x haymeadow
(Pre 2010 Bubba x Gelato) X Haymeadow
Cali Blues x Haymeadow
(Cman x Okie) X Haymeadow
(PBBreath x Cman) x haymeadow
Durban Poison x Haymeadow
Black Ice x Haymeadow
Special Queen #1 x Haymeadow
Punch Pie x Haymeadow
Maui Wowie 86 x Haymeadow
Point Break CBG x Haymeadow
Ole Blue ( OJxBB pheno) x haymeadow

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The non fem cuddle puddle will take place as scheduled, by the skin of its teeth lmao.
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I think you and I are skipping trim jail this year and going straight to trim prison I am gonna bitch the whole time

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I think you and I are skipping trim jail this year and going straight to trim prison I am gonna bitch the whole time

Lol, I can trim a pound of sativa's that bud like the PB's and mystery sativa in an hour or two.

My Biggs and the OJ x BB though..... Trim jail for sure


With the majority of my harvest I'm not going to have it anywhere nearly as bad as most of you though.

You put the right plants outside and indoor flower will even struggle to keep up quality wise, as well as aesthetic and smoke wise

I'ma have entire colas from my sativa's that can hang untrimmed, and dry trim in a minute or two each, that probably won't even need a single fungi prevention spray through fall. Indoor plants and outdoor plants are two different things (for the most part, always exceptions to every tendency in life). Lines have just gotten all blurry in recent years.

I sort of hold the opinion that the sativa's belong outside and the indicas belong inside (that's a very over generalized statement to make). And you can absolutely have fast flowering sativas that can finish as fast as the fastest indicas too, and quite frankly, put the woops ass down on em outdoors. To the point even drawing a comparison is often pointless tbh. Much like a gelato or fire OG would probably lay the woopass down on my sativa's grown indoors and compared. (There's no probably about that , it's basically a fact imho)

The indica leaning OJ phenos, and the Biggs have been 10x the work this grow season already. The peaceblasters I've just kind let do their thing and fed em. They have been very little work, and should continue to be very little work lol. I actively do what I can to stay as out of their way as possible. I dread harvesting the outdoor indicas, it's more work for an often lower quality end product. I look forward to my sativa's. It's a joy to harvest plants like that imo. If I keep em happy they're gonna give me more buds then plant. The bud:leaf ratio on some is gonna blow some minds tbh.

Sorry. Stoned and rambling early today lol

People don't really breed for outdoor growing specifically anymore because it's not profitable though, and that's a damn shame imo. So I think that's mostly what I'm going to focus on moving forward

Out of all the seeds I've popped. Less then half are plants id consider super suitable for growing outdoor reliably.


PB2 is a sativa dom hybrid. Has one of her best veg and flower structures I think I've seen for growing outdoors.

So is OJ x BB pheno 3. Arguably more sativa then PB2. But i wouldn't exactly consider this a great plant for growing outdoors though. I'm gonna have some issues, she's gonna be quite leafy. Leafy promotes root rot by funneling moisture into the flowers actively during rain. You want a longer leaf petioles then these plants produce for growing outdoors, and a lot less leaf to the flowers. Looks like dank buds though for sure.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

lol, probably 75% of the time i type root rot, i mean to type bud rot. Too late to fix it


But yea, outdoors in a humid/rainier region. You actually dont want plants with lots of large leaves. Smaller leaves and a larger more open stem structure would actually be more desirable. Morning sun exposure is also far more important then duration of exposure in this context too. Giving plants 5-7ish hours direct, with as much of that as possible being morning sun will net you better end results then giving a full 10+ hours too. I slightly higher node spacing in a humid/ranier context is preferable. Wind and light will actually penetrate the canopy more effective. And on hot humid days, flowers will still transpire from the heat, but if the plants are too dense and humidity is high, this can even cause mold and mildew without any rain even being involved. Plants will transpire liquid water right into their own flowers. That usually wont happen if plants arent too dense though and enough air and light penetrates, regardless of humidity. You very tip buds may not be quite as giant, but everything underneath will develop a lot more nicely. Less defoliation required across the board too. Rot and mildew rates will drop handilly. End yields will benefit in some interestingly counter intuitive ways. NorCal logic doesnt work everywhere lol. Im literally on the same line of latitude as Mendocino and i still cant grow based on all of their logic. My yields back in the day went up quite a good bit when i started practicing this. If you give less sun out there, you yield less flower. Doesnt work that way in tennessee (most years) lol

I think through summer my plants were getting 5-6 hours direct, but as the suns swinging south it should be about 8 hours by end of september. I have an apricot trea out there with bad septoria though. Im probably going to cut it down. Would give me at least another hour of direct through fall.

That mystery sativa though. that plant has been the definition of grows itself for you. Its definitely going to be the most mold and rot resistant and one of the earlier finishers both. And its flower structure is kinda flawless. Its gonna be an effortless trim. Its taken nights in the 40s just fine this month and in spring as a little tike too. Will prob get a chance to really cold test it this season if the farmer almanac hold out lol.

 

[Oldchucky]

I hear you! Unfortunately, there are Lines of longitude involved also! You do what you can!

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I hear you! Unfortunately, there are Lines of longitude involved also! You do what you can!

i think you mean latitude. Longitude im lined up right with Michigan, almost perfectly with saginaw bay. Latitude im lined up right with northern california. Right in line with El Dorado Natl forest actually, almost exactly.. And im also at high elevation. I also grew outdoors for years in kansas city. A good bit further north and west both. I attempted growing in phoenix a couple years, if you could even call it that lmao. Most of my family that grows lives in michigan and do better then most up there tbh lol. As far as photoperiod effects go chuck, you are my neck of the woods And because of the high elevation effects down here, so is a lot of the midwest lol. i can explain most of this in painful detail, but i already know you probably wont read it lmao (i mean no offense, just calls it likes i sees it) Hang around long enough youll prob see pics of a foot or two of snow on the ground here a few times this winter lol.


Clearly you must have missed the parts where i covered those variables already lol. Which is often, and repetitively tbh. Throwing plants outside in random regions without knowing anything about the specific plants, and treating and training them all the same regardless of where you are is a crapshoot and we all know it, so do you. And not like any of us are actually testing these things, most breeders arent either, they're doing the entirety of their work indoors these days. that much is pretty obvious, at least to me, in the modern growing community lol. And growers usually just throw out the clones/seeds they're sold on, or have some kind of nostalgia for, with not much more then a prayer to the wind, a hand held, and a word taken at face value lol.


Im going completely sprayless through flower this year. if it stays too dry ill mist em with the hose myself to give a good solid look see. And then im gonna make S1s for anyone who wants them, and start breeding specifically for performance outdoors, fast flowering, and mold and rot resistance for the fine fellow outdoor growers on this here farm because i have the plants to do that, and apparently theyre so rare now a days even long time growers call shenanigans while watching em grow lmao

 

[Oldchucky]

No, I meant longitude! A certain latitude on the East Coast is a hell of a lot different than the same latitude on the West Coast! And everywhere in between is different! Actually, they are kind of a moot point! You’re stuck with the climate that you have! Regardless of latitude and longitude! And you make the best of it! About the only thing that doesn’t change is the hours of light when you’re talking latitude!

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

No, I meant longitude! A certain latitude on the East Coast is a hell of a lot different than the same latitude on the West Coast! And everywhere in between is different! Actually, they are kind of a moot point! You’re stuck with the climate that you have! Regardless of latitude and longitude! And you make the best of it! About the only thing that doesn’t change is the hours of light when you’re talking latitude!

As far as photoperiod effects go. Not it is not. That is a matter of latitude and nothing else, and that's not even debatable. That's def a period, ends of discussion, that's just what controls daylight hours exposure thing... In my altitude amplifies my daylight hours similar to pushing myself farther north. That's just how that works lol. Down in Knoxville when they hit 14 and 1/2 hours of sunlight we still have a little bit over 15 hours up here not even an hour East because of the altitude difference. At the same latitude. Twilight is almost completely removed

When we had this conversation once before I even posted pictures of the light scheduling differences for you to ignore apparently

I'm still confused why you try to discredit me around the forum by mostly just agreeing with me without realizing it