Long time grower - Back at it - Interesting Genetics.

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I definitely still love this plant

 

[Captspaulding]

Oh you meant Hermie risk.


There's also full moons. And if no light pollution you can literally read a book under star and moon light once your eyes adjust.


In my experience small light leaks don't even cause hermies indoors. If small light leaks are enough of a stress to hurt me or plants, then those plants will hurt me from any number of insignificant stressors early on in flower lol.

Every tent I've ever had has been clawed up by my cat. If you climb inside when lights off and zip it up, my plants see starlight pretty much all the time.

The light leaks causing Hermes is leftover misinformation from breeders trying to hide their shoddy breeding practices using genetic hermaphrodite plants in the early 2000s. European breeders figured out that they could still sell those seeds to Americans because domestic seeds were so expensive here. And when people had hermaphrodite issues the breeders could just say you must have had light leaks or stressed the plants. And such began a decades-long culture of believing misinformation because it's thrown around in the echo Chambers.


Bouncing photoperiods around yea that can cause stress hermies to pop on otherwise resistant plants. Because that's a stress factor naturally not found in nature. Small Light leaks do not cause hermies. Not in any of my own breeding experience anyway.

It’s true. I’ve tested the shit out of this.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

It’s true. I’ve tested the shit out of this.

+1 old-school forum style my friend.


A plant that Hermes from lightly stress will Hermie if you give it a stink eye


Letting the undergrowth go to shaded too long, nutrient Burns, too much nitrogen. All of those can cause early flower stress-induced Hermes and so can genetics. Genetics can create early flower hermies no matter what the environment is. But I call those ones genetic hermies, even though it's *all* still rooted in genetics.

Small Light leaks? nah Plants have evolved along side that since before we were ever along for the party. That's not what you call a stress factor. That's just part of every plant that's ever existed's life.


If anything pure and total darkness, being something no plant has ever actually experienced before, may actually be more stressful for a plant then tiny consistent light leaks in my opinion

 

[Oldchucky]

It’s true. I’ve tested the shit out of this.

Yeah, so has Busby!

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

i spent nearly 10 years playing with it lol.


A plant that hermies from a small light leak is always actually hermy'ing from a real, genuine stress factor that has been missed. 100% of the time. But even then, its still entirely rooted in genetics.


Small light leaks are not a real, genuine stress factor for any flowering plants. And haven't been for literally millions of years. They do not cause hermies. Genetics are what causes hermies. Even confirmed stress induced hermaphrodite plants? Thats still rooted entirely in genetics of the plant. Its impossible that it isnt, otherwise the plant wouldn't be doing it in the first place. If it wasnt the genetics allowing that expression of living tissues, it wouldnt happen. That's not even debatable. It;s one of the very few black/white things in all of cannabis growing.


Even if you nute burn a plant to death and it spits some bananas. Nute burn didnt create a hermie plant, the plant's genetics did.


Even in the wild land races that can hermie. It was environmental stress and pressure, along side *un steered* inbreeding that created the hermie trait in the first place. Thats how all hermaphrodite species of flowering plant (thats like 95% of all flowering plants) developed the trait. And it wasnt the environmental stress doing it, it was the inbreeding, and the result that has on the genetics of an organism like a sexed plant. All flowering plants were originally sexed like cannabis. Hermaphrodite plants can't actually exist in nature without separate sexes evolving first, and inbreeding taking place uncontrolled. A plant that has been bred to have fewer ethylene receptor sites is FAR more likely to hermie from stress. And under environmental pressure this ensures theres always a next generation of offspring even if it limits genetic diversity and robustness in the process. That is all created through stacking recessive genes together. Inbreeding.

 

[cpurola]

btw the worm plant, that's my fast flowering more hybrid leaning peaceblaster #2 pheno i was gonna make you some S1s from to try if you wanted.

If you trust me with your seeds, I'll give it a try.
But, you have seen all my ups and downs with this grow haven't you? And you still want to? Okay!

 

[Eledin]

Oh you meant Hermie risk.


There's also full moons. And if no light pollution you can literally read a book under star and moon light once your eyes adjust.


In my experience small light leaks don't even cause hermies indoors. If small light leaks are enough of a stress to hurt me or plants, then those plants will hurt me from any number of insignificant stressors early on in flower lol.

Every tent I've ever had has been clawed up by my cat. If you climb inside when lights off and zip it up, my plants see starlight pretty much all the time.

The light leaks causing Hermes is leftover misinformation from breeders trying to hide their shoddy breeding practices using genetic hermaphrodite plants in the early 2000s. European breeders figured out that they could still sell those seeds to Americans because domestic seeds were so expensive here. And when people had hermaphrodite issues the breeders could just say you must have had light leaks or stressed the plants. And such began a decades-long culture of believing misinformation because it's thrown around in the echo Chambers.


Bouncing photoperiods around yea that can cause stress hermies to pop on otherwise resistant plants. Because that's a stress factor naturally not found in nature. Small Light leaks do not cause hermies. Not in any of my own breeding experience anyway.

I meant stress but its good that you mentioned this so people can read it. We talked about it and one of my favorite strains herms from time to time and there's nothing you can do about it but I keep growing it cause I like it.

 

[Eledin]

I definitely still love this plant

Tell em where the good cheap shit is at. People go crazy buying from unknown breeders in the US at ridiculous prices when there's banks that have been around for a decade or more with cheap and stable genetics and several multiple-award winning strains on their backs.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

If you trust me with your seeds, I'll give it a try.
But, you have seen all my ups and downs with this grow haven't you? And you still want to? Okay!

ill get the balls to show my fusarium and septoria maliced plants sitting right next to her getting dily PM washed from the dew eventually lmao. Theyre lookin real rough, fluffy airy flowers, cupped papery leaves. Theyre rough. Been a real bad septoria season here. And were actually getting dew every morning which is rare before october. The PM is strting to take off now lol.

i still think that plant would do ya quite kindly, very much so still. Next week ill have a shot to observe its cold/wet tolerances at the same time too. And whenever she finishes up here just add a week to 10 days or so up there most likely. Thats been the difference between here and Saginaw when i was a teenager growing my little sprout indicas anyway.

Tell em where the good cheap shit is at. People go crazy buying from unknown breeders in the US at ridiculous prices when there's banks that have been around for a decade or more with cheap and stable genetics and several multiple-award winning strains on their backs.

thats a $6 fem seed and there isnt an old school flower fan alive who wouldnt enjoy that flower on a good run. There re many experienced growers here who prob would never buy that seed because of how cheap it is. But she's been RQS' flagship strain for like 15 years. There is indeed a reason for that lol. Its been the most satisfying "seedbank skunk" ive grown for a long time (theres been a few over the years lol), glad to be growing it again. Ran the clone indoors after flowerin gthe seed plant outdoor years back, never saw a single banana or ballsack. So far its been the same. Bye bye durban and PB Breath. SQ still clean as a whistle though.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

interesting trivia and a good solid ramble:


It's very likely that the *only* reason cannabis never evolved into a hermaphrodite plant to begin with, is because its evolution has been right along side ours for about as fr back as you can look into our own lineages. The truth is, it probably was when we first found it. It was likely the first plant humans ever cultivated, likely before we were even humans at all, and it was the plant caretakers (us) that probably kept its environments and breeding in check enough to keep the hermie traits out simply because we found it undesirable, or at least keep it at bay. Plants naturally evolve into that becuase it just suits their survival better then being sexed.

Cannabis is quite unique in the fact that it has ALL of the necessary genetics present to shift into a hermaphrodite plant by nature, but something kept their lineages stress free enough that it never developed until we abandoned it to become land races in the environments it never evolved to suit.



Ancient china had sensimillia nearly 2000 years ago. Good sensimilla. Dank shit and Seedless. Sensimilla cannabis is a trick that's likely been lost to time and rediscovered many times over, for many 10s of thousands of years of time.


There are fossils of hermaphrodite cannabis from long before humans existed. Sensimilla is probably something humans created, and they did it by manipulating the breeding of the plants and keeping track of what happened as results after mixing long time distinct populations together. A few single sex plants probably popped up and some cultivators created a new cultivar/lineage from it, then shared the seeds.. Theres wild plants around you can still do this with too, i believe Amaranth is one of them. There are wild ciltivars of hermie, and sexed amaranth both IIRC, and thats because human tinkered with it. It is Also a steppe evolved high elevation field herb/weed, just like cannabis. There's a damn good chance these plants were hermies, like just about EVERY other fall flowering plant that existed, when we first started cultivating it. And just like every other fall flowering plant, the genetics for separate sexes were in there as well already, and expressible through selective breeding practices the same way we made all our other food and cash crops, only unlike most crops, selective breeding to separate the sexes is hugely beneficial with cannabis, but with most food and cash crop plants hermaphrodite traits are actually the more beneficial trait. This would actually be the the single most logical conclusion, tbh, with the information we do know about this plant's genetics and it's history/evolution.


Us stoners like to act like cannabis is this mystical, somehow magical One-off of nature. But it is not. It's probably just another crop that exists in its current form because of us. And yup, even the way it flowers works like every other fall flowering field plant. It's not unique there either, Promise these plants aren't doing math. And i promise they know when to flower the same way all the other flowering steppe plants know when to flower, and it involves hormones and transitional periods. Plants do not count. They do not count anything, let alone directly observe the passage of time The unique part of these plants, is their chemistry, beyond that every single trait and gene these things have is shared with pretty much all fall flowering annual plants across the board


And tbh, even their chemisty isnt unique. The majority of living things use cannabinoids for bodily functions. Its literally ubiquitous in nature in all semi-complex and complex life. And no we dont have cannabinoid systems because weve smoked weed for so long either. Thats absurd. We never evolved to be circumcized just because we cut our dick skin off for multiple millennia. Thats not how that works.

Does a hermit crab have those systems because they smoked so much weed while evolving? What about tubifex worms? How bout scorpions? Think they been getting their smoke on behind close doors? Cuz they haven't.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

^Cannabis demystified would be a good title for that ramble lmao.


Sexual dimorphism in plants is easily manipulated through selective breeding. this is not new information.


I can get a LOT more detailed and precise in my explanations, as well as source site and cross reference any of the information should anyone feel like debating this topic lol. This topic is stepping toe into one of my lifelong obsessions lol.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Day today of 12/12

Day "x" of flower. I'll tally it up later. Prob like day 17-20 ish.

Point Break CBG first today because she's being mean.

RQS
pecial Queen #1

Maui Wowie '86

Cali Blues

RQS/Tyson Punch Pie

 

[cpurola]

Do you have a generator, just in case?

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Do you have a generator, just in case?

Yea I do. But it's old and unreliable and I meant to have a new one by fall but I don't. I did get the propane pig filled though. But yea last week when I used it one morning through an unexpected outage, lamps and stuff turned on were flickering. Tested output and it's bouncing between about 98v and 125 pretty rapidly but idling steady. Def needs some work.

Rains are supposed to start Friday now. Pushed it back a day.

Here's a pretty pic dump and a vid though lol. I'm cutting the small mexi red x afghan plant down early morning before the rains start. Not risking her. She's very fat and dense up top. Nice color to the buds already too

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I'm thinking can def get away with pulling Tammy #2 morning before the rain starts as well. She's quite fuckin dank already.

She's got septoria pretty bad anyway. All 3 Tammy plants do.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Tammy #2 early lower Bud samples



She's def gonna get an early pull with that little "Mexi red"


Got lucky this plant flowered out so fast with the septoria on her and the weather that's coming. Her sisters likely will not fair so well. They both need at least another couple weeks minimum IMHO.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

So, yea, I've accidentally determined that peaceblaster #4 is my most drought tolerant actively breeding sativa Dom


Poor little plants. Good thing they're clones. All were fully rooted so I suppose it kinda counts as a drought tolerance test lol

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Cloudy dull day today. No air movement. Very humid.

At least a month to go on the big Colombian dominant pheno.

Mystery sativa foxtailing. Looking like maybe 2 weeks or so left on her.

I'd like to take this one at least another full week or two. We'll see how the weather holds out for me. That top cola bout the size of a 16oz coke bottle.

This one, Tammy #2, PB2, and the mystery sativa are all coming into what I'd consider harvestable though. Just not ideal.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Im prob gonna harvest tammy #2 tomorrow morning. Im ready to stop buying my flowers. Past ready. And shes potent as hell already. Shes a real small one anyway.


shes already stronger then some of my girls will probably be fully ripe lol. And she has no business being in the weather thats coming anyway. I think that "mexi red x afghani" will take the weather better then she will. The tammy's have septoria pretty bad too.

 

[Eledin]

Theyre looking beatiful and packed! Except for the mistery sativa, she is looking good but the buds are a bit small and kinda weird. Im itrigued now to know which sativa is that. Hopefully it will make up in potency and flavor.