Long time grower - Back at it - Interesting Genetics.

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I took the pics, so might as well do a post-monsoon pic dump.

Biggs

Mystery Sativa

PB 1

PB 2

PB 3

OJ x BB 1

OJ x BB 2

OJ x BB 3

PB 4

Mexi Skunk Hoping for a male, but got a feeling looking how far its throwing its leaves from the stem, its probably going to be a female lmao.

Tammy 1,2,3 in order. Tammy 3 was the one that was super tiny as birth. Shes more or less caught up to the other 2 now. May even be growing faster, might actually pass them.

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[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

And my friend i gave the biggs has sent an update picture.

I've told her to clean the morning glories out around the base since theyll try and stangle the nearest plant just to get off the ground, and to do a little general weeding to give the plant a little more airflow. Theres some polk trying to grow at the base too, and that stuff gets tall FAST lol.

Shes throwing down all purpose miracle grow right now and hasnt done any weeding. So everything within 3 foot of the plant's base is going absolutely bonkers right now lmao.

She's also done zero treatment for pests she says. I cant find a single spec of insect damage in her pic on the biggs though either, so somethings happening properly anyway lmao. But there's also basically zero evidence of any pests on any of the plant life in her pics. She says there's an invasive fire ant mound about 8 feet from where she planted it though. I wonder if that's why there is basically zero pest presence where she planted.

Usually when ive been outdoors close to ant colonies, my aphid problems increase. But im not sure if the invasive fire ants farm aphids or not tbh. Im guessing no, or maybe they just know of better plants in the area to produce a sweeter honeydew or something lmao.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Def managing my expectations here.

So, my quest for an interesting origin sativa dominant male continues with '86 Maui Wowie. Recieved 5 regular seeds.

They are small, and i am not, so i decided to try and get them to go, id use the matchbox + sandpaper method

Out of 5 seeds, 4 survived. Only did a quick light shake. Never had that happen. Guessing one was already cracked/broken. Embryo prob wasnt viable anyway. Brown and shriveled, mostly hollow. Def been exposed to oxygen.

Im gonna soak em for about 6 hours, then carefully transfer them to a moist paper towel in a tupperware with a little bt of warmth applied. I put a drop of H202 in the soak water.


2 floaters, but also 2 sinkers. THERE IS HOPE! Sorrry @Rama777 lmao.

 

[Rama777]

@Captspaulding im doing a thing.


So, my quest for an interesting origin sativa dominant male continues with '86 Maui Wowie. Recieved 5 regular seeds.
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They are small, and i am not, so i decided to try and get them to go, id use the matchbox + sandpaper method
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Out of 5 seeds, 4 survived. Only did a quick light shake. Never had that happen. Guessing one was already cracked/broken. Embryo prob wasnt viable anyway. Brown and shriveled, mostly hollow. Def been exposed to oxygen.
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Im gonna soak em for about 6 hours, then carefully transfer them to a moist paper towel in a tupperware with a little bt of warmth applied. I put a drop of H202 in the soak water.


2 floaters, but also 2 sinkers. THERE IS HOPE! Sorrry @Rama777 lmao.
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Good luck with those man!! I look forward to watching them grow :))

 

[Captspaulding]

A special one-off treat from@Captspaulding

Def managing my expectations.

So, my quest for an interesting origin sativa dominant male continues with '86 Maui Wowie. Recieved 5 regular seeds.
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They are small, and i am not, so i decided to try and get them to go, id use the matchbox + sandpaper method
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Out of 5 seeds, 4 survived. Only did a quick light shake. Never had that happen. Guessing one was already cracked/broken. Embryo prob wasnt viable anyway. Brown and shriveled, mostly hollow. Def been exposed to oxygen.
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Im gonna soak em for about 6 hours, then carefully transfer them to a moist paper towel in a tupperware with a little bt of warmth applied. I put a drop of H202 in the soak water.


2 floaters, but also 2 sinkers. THERE IS HOPE! Sorrry @Rama777 lmao.
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So longest germination time on those?
3 muthafucking weeks.
Don’t throw in the towel soon. Just let em ride. I figure it’s worth the time.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

So longest germination time on those?
3 muthafucking weeks.
Don’t throw in the towel soon. Just let em ride. I figure it’s worth the time.

Oh i wont. All 4 will be hitting paper towel.

I wont be giving up on these unless they start to rot on me... Or spontaneously explode like that 1 hahahaha.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Decided to take an interesting comparison shot.

The 4 plants in ground are the same exact age as this plant i kept indoors. Is in a 1.5gal pot for size comparisons. (the graboid mutant that i recently overfed trying to speed up lmao. It's slower then gelato... that's SLOW lol)

I was not expecting plants started in april to be this big this fast. They have 4+ months to go. Yea i probably should have spaced em out a bit more. Gonna have some chunkers this fall. Good problem to have though i suppose.

The look of the Biggs (bottom right) is really starting to diverge from the rest of the pack now lmao.

These two are the same cross, same age (Original Jack x Original Big Bud)

 

[Mikedin]

Decided to take an interesting comparison shot.

The 4 plants in ground are the same exact age as this plant i kept indoors. Is in a 1.5gal pot for size comparisons. (the graboid mutant that i recently overfed trying to speed up lmao. It's slower then gelato... that's SLOW lol)
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I was not expecting plants started in april to be this big this fast. They have 4+ months to go. Yea i probably should have spaced em out a bit more. Gonna have some chunkers this fall. Good problem to have though i suppose.

The look of the Biggs (bottom right) is really starting to diverge from the rest of the pack now lmao.

These two are the same cross, same age (Original Jack x Original Big Bud)
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Lookin nice fam! Hell of a size difference in those plants!

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Ive decided to pop 4 Banner 2 to keep indoors. So i might as well post up how i germinate my seeds.

Ive done it this way for about 15 years. For me personally, it still the fastest, most reliable way to have seedlngs over soil with high sucess rates.


If i need to (didnt with the banners) ill put a little piece of sandpaper in a small box and shake the seeds in it for about 5 seconds and give em a half day water cup soak before hitting the paper towel like i did with the Maui 86


i just fold a paper towel to about 4 layers thick, and put it in the bottom of a tupperware container. moisten it thoughly. Ill put the seeds flat on this moist towel and lay a single paper towl layer over them to wick moisture over the top of the seeds.

I put a single drop of 3% peroxide on the paper towel. If old seeds, often itll take about a week or more, and i reccomend adding another single drop of peroxide every 3 days to keep bacteria from blooming on the paper towel. If the water in the towel stagnates or blooms bacteria, the seeds are usually pretty toast pretty quickly

Then i seal it up

Then i find some small electronic device that puts out light, but feelable warmth, and ill set the tupperware on it.

Check every 12 hours. Freshly dried seeds can pop a root that quick sometimes doing this.

I plant popped seeds 1/4' deep, root tip down, and cover lightly with soil. usually, with nice, highly viable seed, i have 100% germ rates this way. Sometimes, ill even have seedlings over soil 4 days after putting a seed on paper towel if theyre fresh, fat, highly viable seed.

My mexi skunk was breaking soil in under 4 days from dry seed lol. So far, my best record for having a seedling break soil was about 3 days with this method.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I put down a couple tomato cages today. On Peaceblaster #1 and the mystery sativa. Both big plants adding bud sites fast, and both have pretty wimpy stems.

Figured id better post how i do my tomato cages, i do them pretty different. Someone out there will likely find this useful/interesting.


I wait a lot longer to put cages down then most, and i put them down upside down. Sometimes a plant wont actually benefit from a cage so i wait and watch. There is a VERY easy way to put a cage on a larger plant, you just squeeze the plant from bottom up like its a christmas tree being netted up to drive home on top of a car.

After putting the cage over and getting branches where you want them, they just open right back up under gravity, completely unharmed.

It makes tomato cages not just useful, but actually practical for use with cannabis, and allows making much wider plants much earlier without fear of broken limbs later on. Im sure some have been cringing at the way ive topped them lmao.

I use 8-12 of these per cage to hold them to the ground. They are the little stakes that hold down landscaping fabric.

I use the cages upside down, because the conical shape better suits a cannabis plant topped early this way. And because you can bend the legs however you see fit to aid in holding the limbs up.

And like i have said many times, im a cheapskate.... This is my usual method for pushing plants more open outside... I find a stick of the appropriate size and wedge it. Even in the wind, its very rare they fall out because the entire plant moves together once you install a couple perfect sticks lmao.

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On an unrelated note, the plot thickens on my mystery sativa. Very unexpectedly it's my first plant to have fully developed pistils and calyxes. There are also glandular trichomes present on the calyxes and pistils both. @Captspaulding im becoming less worried its a seed originating from industrial hemp pollen already. It is also a lot more willing to branch out then hemp pollenated canna seeds usually are. Instead im wondering now if it's about to autoflower on me. I dont think it is, but i def have a raised eyebrow now.

Ive had a bunch of these little spiders move in as well. Haven't seen these ones on my plants before. Very cool lookin critters. Had lady bugs and mantises recently too, but they seem to have moved on already, or just like to come out on my plants during overcast weather.

All pyrethrin spraying has been stopped for close to a week now not to return until next spring.

Got a bunch of wild shamrocks growing in. Leaving them, but weeding out the vultures. Will be cleaning up the bottoms of the plants very soon as well.

 

[lenhug]

Fantastic stuff. I think I might just steal your upside down tomato cage idea for my single outdoor plant. And I love the sticks to open them up, genius!

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Fantastic stuff. I think I might just steal your upside down tomato cage idea for my single outdoor plant. And I love the sticks to open them up, genius!

Heads up the stick can take some playing around to get the hang of, and i usually keep a pocket knife to carve the ends how i want em to be. Usually 1 end is fine, the other end wants to slide out.

After the stick is there for a good bit of growth you can pull it out. Usually couple weeks, you can pull it out and the plant will usually hold that spacing. If you have a bad storm theyll come out sometimes. But your usual wind never really messes with a well placed stick though.

Be careful putting a stick too close to a knuckle. You can split the stem beneath them if you are not careful and push branches apart too low. If that happens, just wrap the stem in duck tape for like a week, and itll be the new strongest part of the entire plant shortly after. Itll scar and beef up similar to super cropping/mainlining scars and the branches above the split wont ever even flinch.

Years ago i was really getting annoyed trying to tie a small afghnai plant open outside. Wasnt big enough to warrant a net, and no good tie off points that werent carrying a big rock or log from somewhere. After giving up i was chillin with a friend and grabbed a stick to show him what i was trying to make the plant do, but then i realized the stick would stay when i let go. It worked f*cking perfectly, and stayed there til harvest. Such is the origin of "stick-training"



The cages work better this way for tomato plants too. It takes something we all hate having to use, and turns it into something very useful. My grandmother gets the credit for this idea.

When you squeeze up from the bottom, its a much gentler thing then it looks in the photo, the plants flex in this manner almost like they were meant to lol. Within 5 mins of letting them down, you wont be able to tell you did anything at all.

If you have to bend any branches under any of the cage rings after placing the cage, bend over a long section of the branch, not all at one place, and you'll be surprised how much you can flex them without any injury at all.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Oh i have a journal. Guess i should mention i raked in a bunch of goat poo and Jobe's organics vege and tomato food today, so im not wondering when it was i did that in the future. Did it in light rain so took no pics.

This is whats in the jobes for anyone interested. It's fantastic stuff. Its cheap and at lots of stores. Its still raining and im not walking to the garage to take a picture of a bag of stinky stuff.


Ill take a picture of my next tote of goat sh*t if someone wants me to.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

So i planted my first banner to pop open yesterday. Root tip down. Im a little confused and amused both now lol.

The Banner must be a little confused too. First thing to show above soil.... The root tip

I always get the weirdos lmfao (Not a complaint at all)

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Got a second banner 2 in soil. The other 2 have swollen up.

No roots on the Maui but it looks like at least 1 has swollen up a bit, it's doing something :)

the other 3 arent doing anything yet. And i think one is a dead seed. Has a tiny split in the shell, but hasnt swollen any. The inside looks to be dark brown/black.

I carefully uncovered the first banner. It's one of those that wants to do cartwheels until it finds the light. Carefully repositioned it where the split edge of the shell can see a little bit of light. It should figure things out pretty quick now.

My fastest "tammy" youngin outside did a full 360 under the soil back to where it started before popping out, but was still the first and fastest of those too. I think the paper towel method can confuse the faster ones sometimes. A bit of "woah what just happened" when they get planted.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Went by my friends today for a quick smoke. Her Biggs is happy and healthy. A little small but a very happy plant.

Her biggs is getting about 2x as much light exposure as mine is getting. Mines about 2x as big though. Hers looks more like i expected for Biggs outdoors, thinking i got an oddball phenotype. Biggs is only an F2 afterall. There have been some odd one out phenos.

Happy little bush.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Update on the youngins.

So far out performing my expectations for amending their soil practically none whatsoever. Yes thats clay shale-gravel in the soil they're planted in. Guess they're diggin it.

They all have a little loam and compost, not much, peaceblaster 4 got closest to the same treatment all the bigger plants got.

Tammy 1,2,3. In order

Peaceblaster 4. Starting to really take off. She's a few days younger then the Tammy's, a few days older then the mexi-skunk.

Mexi-Skunk

There are tiny mimosas growing in everywhere on their own, little wild shamrocks too. And i cut down (Im letting em come back in though) several larger mimosa tree's where i cleared my grow plot.

All nitrogen fixers. Wondering if that has something do with with how well the plants are digging what i expected to be, and what looks like, pretty terrible soil.

Not that natural loam or compost isnt amazing stuff, but i do think those large mimosa root systems are helping my plants out a bit. My friends biggs is growing at a much less impressive, but more typical/expected rate. And i did bring her a good bit of loam and compost with the plant.

My most brilliantly/vibrantly green colored plant (peaceblaster 2) happens to be planted right at the base of a still living, and quite large mimosa i cut to let re-grow with multiple heads. Was probably a 30 foot tree. The roots are under the entire plot im using for sure. There were several smaller mimosas i cut down, and now tons of little nitrogen fixers growing in too.

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

Update on the youngins.

So far out performing my expectations for amending their soil practically none whatsoever. Yes thats clay shale-gravel in the soil they're planted in. Guess they're diggin it.

They all have a little loam and compost, not much, peaceblaster 4 got closest to the same treatment all the bigger plants got.

Tammy 1,2,3. In order
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Peaceblaster 4. Starting to really take off. She's a few days younger then the Tammy's, a few days older then the mexi-skunk.
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Mexi-Skunk
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There are tiny mimosas growing in everywhere on their own, little wild shamrocks too. And i cut down (Im letting em come back in though) several larger mimosa tree's where i cleared my grow plot.

All nitrogen fixers. Wondering if that has something do with with how well the plants are digging what i expected to be, and what looks like, pretty terrible soil.

I got rocky clay, weed plants dig it (pun intended) but gophers love weed plants so no more plants in the ground without a metal barrier in the soil for me. Sucks. You know how you get with your best plants, you practically name them. Say "good morning" and "good night" every day. And then a flea biten blind fat rat takes your beloved under ground to nibble and shit on.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I got rocky clay, weed plants dig it (pun intended) but gophers love weed plants so no more plants in the ground without a metal barrier in the soil for me. Sucks. You know how you get with your best plants, you practically name them. Say "good morning" and "good night" every day. And then a flea biten blind fat rat takes your beloved under ground to nibble and shit on.

Yea we dont have gophers here, at least no evidence in my yard. Too much gravel in the soil for them to dig well was my assumption. Did in KC, cousins have em bad up in MI too. The biggest underground tunneling rodents ive seen here are voles.

Mrs. Moose makes short work of the voles too, and i havent seen any headless one's recently. Seems like she sent them and the chipmunks packin.

we have aphids that'll make you exclaim "what the f*ck" pretty loudly when ya see them though.


I do my best not to get attached to or fall in love with any specific outdoor plants that are in-ground. It's not wise in my experience lmfao.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

More pictures because my plants have me feeling great joy today!

There's more room around the Biggs and the OJ x BB then it looks from this angle.

PB 1, PB 2, Biggs, and Mystery Sativa. Extra pic of PB 1 because shes over exposed in the group shot

OJ x BB 1,2, and 3. PB 3 on the far right.

PB 1 giving me a damn good example of what i mean by plants that dont need to be topped when cloned. And how this gene pool is a fan of growing like that. Got a hunch PB 1 gonna be around with me for a while

My fast blaster pheno sometimes spit a side shoot that would overtake, and become the new main meristem, this one will prob do a little bit of that here and there too. My first non mystery plant to have fully devloped pistils too. Maybe i have another fast blaster here. That'd be sick.