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what do you mean "the lumens dont add up"
Whether you have 1, 2, or 20 - 600 watters the footprint or area they cover will only be larger but the overall light intensity of the garden will still be 90,000 lumens or so. Watts add up, lumens do not.
I dont see how this could be true at all. I dont get where this info ever comes from either. Nor can i see how it hasnt been just made a fact or fiction yet. Like its an easily demonstrable theory.
I find my eyes tell me alot different.
If im in a room with 1*600, versus 5*600, I sure see a much brighter room.
If I put 4 cfls around a plant, so that its pretty much 360 spread, versus 50 cfls, I sure see a much brighter lit plant. Any room with 4 light chandliers work on this principle, which is why they exist.
And this lumen measurement, sure its practically derived from this effect. They measure photons hitting the meter. Add more photons, adds more lumen count to the measurement.
I have a room with a 600 on it right now, i added another, i notice a HUGE increase in bud production, and the two lights are right beside each other with only 30CM gap distance max. The increase is huge comparing to my last grow.
Anyways. OP, Can you say what style of growing you have? If its Scrog or SOG for example, then penetration means ALOT less, so buying 1000watters are much less useful over many already purchased 600's.
If you are growing trees, and the distance to center of the tree is large and the extra penetration would be benefical.
I like 600s in for a few reasons,
1, i already own them.
2, i can get closer to my plants (12inchs V 18inches) which adds a huge % of light to 600s for a direct comparison. Sure, i dont think the maths to figure out how much lumens get to a plant from a 18inch 1000watt V 12 inch 600 would be that hard to do. (I dont know the maths btw :))
3, cost of the inital investment must damn well be worth the extra benefits. 6 ballasts + bulbs..
4, As you are putting a gap between the 1000s, i think a better use would be No gap, and more lights? ie: the 600s.
I do like the idea of 1000s, but only for appropriate grows, eg: varying heights in canopy, or tall plants, etc. 600s rock for thier scrog or sog niches.
I dont see how this could be true at all. I dont get where this info ever comes from either. Nor can i see how it hasnt been just made a fact or fiction yet. Like its an easily demonstrable theory.
I find my eyes tell me alot different.
If im in a room with 1*600, versus 5*600, I sure see a much brighter room.
If I put 4 cfls around a plant, so that its pretty much 360 spread, versus 50 cfls, I sure see a much brighter lit plant. Any room with 4 light chandliers work on this principle, which is why they exist.
And this lumen measurement, sure its practically derived from this effect. They measure photons hitting the meter. Add more photons, adds more lumen count to the measurement.
I have a room with a 600 on it right now, i added another, i notice a HUGE increase in bud production, and the two lights are right beside each other with only 30CM gap distance max. The increase is huge comparing to my last grow.
Anyways. OP, Can you say what style of growing you have? If its Scrog or SOG for example, then penetration means ALOT less, so buying 1000watters are much less useful over many already purchased 600's.
If you are growing trees, and the distance to center of the tree is large and the extra penetration would be benefical.
I like 600s in for a few reasons,
1, i already own them.
2, i can get closer to my plants (12inchs V 18inches) which adds a huge % of light to 600s for a direct comparison. Sure, i dont think the maths to figure out how much lumens get to a plant from a 18inch 1000watt V 12 inch 600 would be that hard to do. (I dont know the maths btw :))
3, cost of the inital investment must damn well be worth the extra benefits. 6 ballasts + bulbs..
4, As you are putting a gap between the 1000s, i think a better use would be No ghqwap, and more lights? ie: the 600s.
I do like the idea of 1000s, but only for appropriate grows, eg: varying heights in canopy, or tall plants, etc. 600s rock for thier scrog or sog niches.
If u can make the upgrade & keep ur room kool I would say do it.. I recently switched from 600 to 1000 watts & I'm very impressed with the 1000 watt light. But I'm a small grower with only 1 light.. But I'm betting u would love the upgrade.. The buds get 2-3 times bigger with a 1000 watt light.. But they r a whole lot hotter. But well worth the extra heat
OP, u mentioned Height problems.
Will the extra height u have to keep the lights from the plants for 1000watters make it possible to gain any height in your situation. Eg: Will you save more than 7-8 inches by replacing these reflectors? and how many inches will you gain..
I guess its 12inches + hood height V 18 inches + reflector height.
Might make a difference to your decision?
my general tactic of growing is pretty simple 11Litre square pots, coco, veg till my chosen height, put them into flower and throw a net over them to support the nugs etc. I dont grow vertically or massive plants. Iv been playing about with 5 gallon smart pots, and growing small bushy plants, but think im gonna go back to 11litre pots with shorter veg time.
I know what your saying about getting the 600's closer. What about them light spreaders you can put on the adjusta wings to dissipate the heat more efficiently with 1000's so you can get them lower to the canopy?
The bad side of getting 1000's is i would need to buy new ballast and bulbs. Then again though, im prepared to put the money in if in any way its going to benefit me.
Would love to fit them 600's in the middle of the 1000's but im maxxed out on power, thats why id only be running the 6 1000's so its only 600watt extra on power than my last setup.
Here's the deal if (1) 600 = 90,000 lumens, add 4 more you don't get 450,000 lumens your eye would fry, please believe it! Even with flos when they sell 20,000 lumen (2zx4 bulb) units you will only get 5,000, me and my used a light meter to prove this watch when you put it under all those lights it keeps reading the same as one light...Idk about PAR though.
this is doing my nut in, keep reading posts and thinking right fuck it im going for the 1000's then read other posts like tinkers, and think you know what hes got a point.
Theres no way i can mix things up like have a 1000 inbetween the 600's because the reflectors and on a hanger rail system all at the same height, so the 1000's will be burning the canopy at the same level of the 600's
check out this link for the adjusta wings layout option, each 1000watt size reflector covers 2.2mx1.8m thats 4m2. my rooms only 12m2, so with 6 of them nice and spaced out im gonna have tons of light in a good way, im thinking more intense that the more spaced out 9x 600s.
does anyone remember that little picture that was flying about on here a while back detailing the power of a 1000watt bulb compare to 600's and 400's.
tinker when i say smaller veg time, i dont mean il be vegging for hardly nothing, just meant on my last run i veg for ages!, so just gonna cut it down abit.
thanks again for all the replies, helps me so much
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