MIMedGrower said:

The health companies out here in west michigan are some of the most mismanaged and incompetent hospitals and staff I have seen anywhere.

I am terrified to be sick out here. Go Spectrum Health.

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MIMedGrower said:

The health companies out here in west michigan are some of the most mismanaged and incompetent hospitals and staff I have seen anywhere.

I am terrified to be sick out here. Go Spectrum Health.

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Migrower said:

Heath and pharmaceutical companies are some of the most corrupt morally unsound businesses that are part of our society. They are in the buisness of making people sick not healthy. This sounds absurd but what’s even more is a buisness plan to lose money. And health companies are some of the largest. Is it just a coincidence that there are 250% more meds on the market today than in 2005. That more Americans have medical issues in the present day than was documented in every year rising since 1997. So that means more “better” meds equals more medical issues and more people with them on a rising scale since ‘97. Make sense? These drugs are causing all kinds of issues and depopulating the planet for the elites in a trickster way. Opiates were pushed on Americans by government in multiple ways. It was just one of the agendas. Weaken the population have it focused on this while they do that. Another coincidence that the opiate epidemic really splurged after Americans took all the poppy fields in Afghanistan during the war on “terror” I still don’t know who terror is boy we’ll never get our hands on him. Great way to keep fed dollars coming in the war chest. Our nation is being taken behind the scenes by the same people who are our so called elected officials. If we don’t wake up and stand together today, we will all fall and die alone tomorrow.

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PipeCarver said:

We have a woman doc here that got suspended for prescribing 50,000 opioids 33,000 were oxy in one year to a patient close by me.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/dr-sarah-jones-receives-3-year-suspension-from-medicine-1.5260397

She's back working again with retrictions.

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Aqua Man said:

Same humidity and cold weather. For me I think it's partly due to muscle tightening that make my pain worse. It's funny cause it the bulging disc and swelling around when aggravated that cause the pain which heat can make swelling worse. But if I heat my back and relax the muscles when tense if cold P Psince thats when my muscles seem to tense up it it really helps. I guess cause the muscles aren't pulling it spasming. Same when stressed.

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PlumberSoCal said:

SI! I can usually tell a day before it rains as my back/hip will start to ache. Hot/cold mix on the muscles when inflamed helps me. When the muscles are irritated and spasm they put pressure on nerves which cause our pain. Stopping the swelling and spasms alleviate the heavy pain. I also have a T.E.N.S. which helps. They sell 'em over the counter these days.

Folks who have never experienced this type of pain can't relate with our daily struggles. I am in pain to some degree 24/7. You learn to cope with it.

Doctors peddle poison but there are times nothing else will take the edge off so I'll use them but sparingly, usually just a half pill.

Someone above mentioned family, gardening and our plant as ways to help us deal and I couldn't agree more!

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PlumberSoCal said:

SI! I can usually tell a day before it rains as my back/hip will start to ache. Hot/cold mix on the muscles when inflamed helps me. When the muscles are irritated and spasm they put pressure on nerves which cause our pain. Stopping the swelling and spasms alleviate the heavy pain. I also have a T.E.N.S. which helps. They sell 'em over the counter these days.

Folks who have never experienced this type of pain can't relate with our daily struggles. I am in pain to some degree 24/7. You learn to cope with it.

Doctors peddle poison but there are times nothing else will take the edge off so I'll use them but sparingly, usually just a half pill.

Someone above mentioned family, gardening and our plant as ways to help us deal and I couldn't agree more!

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PipeCarver said:

Constant 24/7 pain makes it easy to snap at people, lashing out at our loved ones that just don't understand what you're going through. I was a shell of what I was before the pain was constant. We can all take a bang on the fingers or whack the funny bone and shrug it off but when you feel that whack 24/7 it changes you for the worse. One day-2 days a week a month of constant pain....fine but fking years! That's where smoke comes in, it allows us to tolerate the pain and maybe even get to enjoy a few minutes of the day.

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PlumberSoCal said:

SI! I can usually tell a day before it rains as my back/hip will start to ache. Hot/cold mix on the muscles when inflamed helps me. When the muscles are irritated and spasm they put pressure on nerves which cause our pain. Stopping the swelling and spasms alleviate the heavy pain. I also have a T.E.N.S. which helps. They sell 'em over the counter these days.

Folks who have never experienced this type of pain can't relate with our daily struggles. I am in pain to some degree 24/7. You learn to cope with it.

Doctors peddle poison but there are times nothing else will take the edge off so I'll use them but sparingly, usually just a half pill.

Someone above mentioned family, gardening and our plant as ways to help us deal and I couldn't agree more!

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PlumberSoCal said:

At this point would your brother be willing to work for 40-50k a year? Or any other doctors? Not a chance so how do we pay for everyone? There's so much waste and abuse just with Medicare what do you think Medicare for all would do to the system?

We can't give everything away free, socialism is a failed system. We have over 100 years of evidence to support that conclusion.

I have no issues helping and caring for those citizens, and only citizens who are unable to care for themselves but the abuse is rampant.

Pay a visit to any ER here in cali and you'll see where billions of out tax dollars are going, non citizens.

Until government can deal with the waste and abuse I'm not willing to give them any control of healthcare.

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Aqua Man said:

Yep not the same person since back issues here. In addition to the hydromorphone I was given something that was supposed to work by blocking some of the nerve pain. I can't remember what it was but I took one pill and I wasn't sure I was gonna make it back home. Never again I looked that shit up and it's nasty af. I'll get the name when I get home.

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PlumberSoCal said:

SI! I can usually tell a day before it rains as my back/hip will start to ache. Hot/cold mix on the muscles when inflamed helps me. When the muscles are irritated and spasm they put pressure on nerves which cause our pain. Stopping the swelling and spasms alleviate the heavy pain. I also have a T.E.N.S. which helps. They sell 'em over the counter these days.

Folks who have never experienced this type of pain can't relate with our daily struggles. I am in pain to some degree 24/7. You learn to cope with it.

Doctors peddle poison but there are times nothing else will take the edge off so I'll use them but sparingly, usually just a half pill.

Someone above mentioned family, gardening and our plant as ways to help us deal and I couldn't agree more!

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PipeCarver said:

Constant 24/7 pain makes it easy to snap at people, lashing out at our loved ones that just don't understand what you're going through. I was a shell of what I was before the pain was constant. We can all take a bang on the fingers or whack the funny bone and shrug it off but when you feel that whack 24/7 it changes you for the worse. One day-2 days a week a month of constant pain....fine but fking years! That's where smoke comes in, it allows us to tolerate the pain and maybe even get to enjoy a few minutes of the day.

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PlumberSoCal said:

At this point would your brother be willing to work for 40-50k a year? Or any other doctors? Not a chance so how do we pay for everyone? There's so much waste and abuse just with Medicare what do you think Medicare for all would do to the system?

We can't give everything away free, socialism is a failed system. We have over 100 years of evidence to support that conclusion.

I have no issues helping and caring for those citizens, and only citizens who are unable to care for themselves but the abuse is rampant.

Pay a visit to any ER here in cali and you'll see where billions of out tax dollars are going, non citizens.

Until government can deal with the waste and abuse I'm not willing to give them any control of healthcare.

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MIMedGrower said:

I dont disagree with your opinion. But something will have to be done about it.

Even with insurance i am stuck in a shitty welfare based system here.

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PipeCarver said:

Health care in Canada is great until you really need it then you see how big the gaps are. My wife on the other hand was given a breast cancer diagnosis 4 years ago and they treated her very well and quickly she's now cancer free so far She also had her gallbladder removed and that went quickly and well too. It took me 4 years to get a wart removed off my nostril so somethings take their time. It was a 5 minute job, it took them 4 years to do it.

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MIMedGrower said:

I dont disagree with your opinion. But something will have to be done about it.

Even with insurance i am stuck in a shitty welfare based system here.

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PlumberSoCal said:

If we could fix government, but the human condition won't allow us to do so. A politicians main concern is being reelected, period. Most will do or say anything to accomplish it. You are I don't add up to squat in their desire to wield power. They need to be held accountable and we the people are lulled into sitcoms and crap that is meaningless. Human condition. Learn how to control the people by distraction and you keep your cushy job. I say shoot 'em all, start over and give them a daily reminder of what we did to the last batch of morons. It would be a start.

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MIMedGrower said:

Yeah we have it all backwards. Lets skip the politics. Not allowed here. And i dont support the system. I avoid it.

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PlumberSoCal said:

If we could fix government, but the human condition won't allow us to do so. A politicians main concern is being reelected, period. Most will do or say anything to accomplish it. You are I don't add up to squat in their desire to wield power. They need to be held accountable and we the people are lulled into sitcoms and crap that is meaningless. Human condition. Learn how to control the people by distraction and you keep your cushy job. I say shoot 'em all, start over and give them a daily reminder of what we did to the last batch of morons. It would be a start.

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