My first breeding/ Crossing, Grow journey

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This is my first time cross pollinating and breeding two strains to create my own hybrid. The father pollen I collected was from a “White Lightning” plant (Northern Lights x White Widow) the mother is a Runtz plant.


This is the mother and father a few weeks after I pollinated them

 

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I decided to abbreviate it LR for lightning runtz even though it’s not stabilized yet. She was able to produce over 200 seeds which was pretty impressive due to her size. I decided to keep her in a smaller pot because this was meant to be a test project, but she out did her self

 

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These 4 are the first F1 from this cross that I’ve planted. I wanted to see what genetics will show more dominance out of these choices F1 (left to right ) #1, 2,3,4 were all germinated in that order. I’ll keep posting here to keep track of the progress! Stay posted

 

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Update on my (LR) F1 #1 Veg

Topped her a few days ago after a slight defoliation. We will see how she and the other are doing next week

 

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Updating on my first cross (LR) f1 #1

She’s in her early stages in flower, the bud sights could be larger but I’m down to see what she can do despite the deficiencies

 

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Update on LR cross
She’s not my frostiest but it’s my first time breeding and crossing, so it will only get better with time.

I wanted to keep myself and the viewers updated on her progress


Week 6

 

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These 4 are the first F1 from this cross

In correct plant breeding terminology an F1 is a hybrid of 2 different genetically stable/pure parents. For example IBL Parent 1 crossed with IBL parent 2.
Neither one of the plants you are crossing are pure, genetically stable plants.

When crossing polyhybrids the resulting progeny is a polyhybrid, not an F1.

I realize you are using "f1" informally to denote the first generation of a cross. This often leads to confusion for people unfamiliar with the correct terminology. A little casual research and we see another description:

I understand you wanted to make seeds, make a cross yourself and you did. Congrats on the direct experience and gained knowledge and gardening skills.
I just wanted to pass on some correct terminology so you don't make mistakes. Imagine talking to a mechanic, and naming a fuel injector as a temperature sensor. Not a good look if you want people to take you seriously, or have effective communication. Perhaps using "X1" to describe your mix of genetics? Would be recognized as cross 1.

 

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She’s not my frostiest but it’s my first time breeding and crossing, so it will only get better with time.

Actually you will be getting mixed random results. This is because you have a bunch of different genetics in the mixing of polyhybrids. The resulting progeny will have a high degree of variation between sibling plants. Different potencies, different growth habbits, different aromas, some runts, and some nice interesting examples. Complete genetic chaos.

This is why starting genetics matter. It would be much easier, more do-able, with a simple cross, or complex cross like a 3 way or 4 way cross where the genetic contributors are still recognizable. With polyhybrids (5+ genetics) it gets very blended and chaotic. You are starting with genetics that are likely way more than 5. So, there is that to consider.
That unpredictable and high amount variation will be continued for many generations, and ultra-polyhybrid mixes may never fully stabilize.

If you find a good performer or something unique, use that 1 as a mother to make 7 or so generations by cloning her and using her male offspring in succesive generations that are most resembling her constantly crossed back with the mother plant. So keep her and breed her clones for a some years, and you will have something mostly highly stable and reliable... perhaps. Its not guaranteed, but possible. (Back crossing to lock in desired traits)

The next X1 you plant may be better, or worse. Plant about a 60 of you X1s and they will be throwing off all kinds of variations. In your X1s and you will definitely find a good example to go forward with somewhere in there. Start with vigor as selection criteria.
Its possible to keep breeding in the same populations over many generations and achieve a similar result, but I think the previous way would give you better results, something more easily you direct or control.

Better altogether is just use pure breeds as starting genetics. I make my own F1s, and i have to make them new from time to time by growing the parents to make them. and i casually clone and stabilize a complex cross i particularly like. Thats about as much as I can stand.
What was the point of your cross anyway? Its good to have some sort of goal or idea to work towards.

Ive heard a description that seems mostly correct. The difference between good plant breeding and pollen chucking: Pollen chuckers make meaningless crosses of polyhybrids, further dilutions. Good plant breeding has a clear intent and does not incorporate polyhybrids.
What do you all think out there? Whats the difference between good plant breeding and pollen chucking?

 

[amneziaHaze]

Unless you will breed with a landrace and even those i dont think are pure anymore any strain you pick is a hybrid.
No matter how pure your mix is when making hybrid strains you will get at least 4 phenotypes with one of them showing big differences other 3 will be similar but still not the same.to get a plant that trows seeds where its allways the same plant you have to cross breed it to itselfe or its mother and that will automatically make your seed have less genes and be shittier than the original sooo.....

 

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You popped in right on cue like clockwork. I knew one would be waiting to drop that one.

That take is way off base. Homozygous inbred lines absolutely exist and plenty of them are still solid. Just because most of the hype junk floating around the seed banks these days is polyhybrid slop doesn't mean real stabilized lines disappeared. There are still proper IBLs, worked landraces, and well bred stable varieties out there if you actually look beyond the latest generic sponso drops.

And that whole "inbreeding automatically makes it shittier with less genes" thing? Nah man, that's a misunderstanding. When you know what you're doing and actually select hard across generations, repeated inbreeding (selfing or backcrossing to a strong mother) increases homozygosity for the traits you want while cleaning out the weak shit. That's literally how good breeders create reliable lines that throw consistent plants. Less genes?? It doesn't magically delete genes and turn everything to trash. Turning to trashhappens when pollen chuckers half azz it with no selection.

You're basically telling the guy that everything is hopeless hybrid chaos and you might as well just keep mixing random junk forever. Convenient narrative if the goal is protecting weak, unstable mass genetics and encouraging endless novelty chasing instead of real breeding work.

Proper F1s come from crossing two solid, stable parents. Polyhybrid crosses give you exactly the mess you described...wildly different phenotypes. That's not some universal law of cannabis, that's what happens when you start with garbage unstable parents. Garbage in, garbage out.

Keep it real man. If you're gonna jump in the conversation, at least drop accurate info. Or is that just your odd way of attaining information? Cause you could have just asked me straight questions without tossing out bad information for me to correct. I would respect honest questions, but misinformation disrespects the entire community. Its ok to have questions, we all have questions. you dont have to pose in some way to project some image, i accept people as they are regardless. Its not good to confuse people trying to learn.