My first grow/ what the hell is wrong with it

[ThanksButNoDank]

19 seeds, 9 sprouted, 6 male, FML
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As if that were not bad enough, my plants are just plain puny, and they are definatly a sativa dominant strain, so they should be much taller(these are all somewhere between 3'4 and 3'10).

I wish i had some pics of the males i had to show u what i mean, but i didnt have a camera until after i pulled them out, but basicly, my males were twice the size as the females, litteraly, and i had heard before that thats just becuase males mature and die faster, so i wasnt worried, but now i am, these were planted 4/20, and theres just absolutly no way they are supposed to be this short and skinny, i feel like im gona get a gram a piece off each one, its ridiculous

At one time someone suggested they didnt have enough light, but then why were the males doing so well?

anyone got any ideas what i can do? or any guesses on the yield? if im not gona get more than 2 oz im probably gona trash them

please help me out here, ive joined some other forums, and one person answers half what i need them people start talking about random crap to each other on my topic and it goes no where, i really need some expert advice before its too late, probably already is though, these just showed their first female flowers about 1 1/2 weeks ago

EDIT: Luckily i used to work for a green house so im always finding all kinds of plant stuff i forgot about, they gave me a few bags of this for my dying pecan tree but in the back it says it can be used in gardens, lawns, trees, whatever, i took a few pics so u guys can see, also says it has nitrogen which somebody suggest i add, its also a natural safe alternative to chemical ferts as the greenhouse i worked at was stricly organic, so u guys think its safe to use this for my plants during flowering? idk what 4-4-0 means but u can see it on the pic of the bags

 

[merlin-bless]

what nutes you using

 

[merlin-bless]

IMO males grow alot faster than females, are they clones??

 

[mastacheeser]

really looking indica or hybrid man

if those are 4 months old then they are def not getting enuf light

way to early for any guesses on yeild, not to mention you really have to be there squeezing the buds to get any sort of a good guess

ur not growing in alaska are you? lol

 

[kolah]

What are your day and nightime temps?
Are they getting enough sunlight?
Whats the pH of your water?
How about the soil condition? dark, rich and loamy or clayish and dull?
You may want to check the pH your water and soil (cheap kits are available)
You may need to fertilize.
It's possible you got some funky weak strain of seeds.

And yes males almost always grow larger than the females.

A lot of folks dig a good sized hole and then add their own soil mix instead of relying on whatever soil-type is in the ground. Or they fertilize accordingly. From your pictures I do not see any signs of nutrient defienicy (discolored leaves, curling, spots etc) or any signs of fungus or molds. Maybe they just need some nitrogen to give them a boost....and Sun and good water.

I would not give up on them. Experiment. That is how you learn. Remember it's nothing but a weed and it is not too complex to grow some halfway decent homegrown.

 

[vaporedout]

i think they look good color wise, but check your sun son. if they dont have light they wont grow. i dont think you need more nutes or anything like that. i did notice some mutated leaves, they only had 3 tips, might be a sign of a problem or simply genetics, but definitely check the light.

 

[Texas Kid]

Need more direct light

Tex

 

[Sunbiz1]

19 seeds, 9 sprouted, 6 male, FML
As if that were not bad enough, my plants are just plain puny, and they are definatly a sativa dominant strain, so they should be much taller(these are all somewhere between 3'4 and 3'10).

I wish i had some pics of the males i had to show u what i mean, but i didnt have a camera until after i pulled them out, but basicly, my males were twice the size as the females, litteraly, and i had heard before that thats just becuase males mature and die faster, so i wasnt worried, but now i am, these were planted 4/20, and theres just absolutly no way they are supposed to be this short and skinny, i feel like im gona get a gram a piece off each one, its ridiculous

At one time someone suggested they didnt have enough light, but then why were the males doing so well?

anyone got any ideas what i can do? or any guesses on the yield? if im not gona get more than 2 oz im probably gona trash them

please help me out here, ive joined some other forums, and one person answers half what i need them people start talking about random crap to each other on my topic and it goes no where, i really need some expert advice before its too late, probably already is though, these just showed their first female flowers about 1 1/2 weeks ago

Trash them now. make more sun, or try and transplant, you planted in too much shade(and probably didn't know it at the time). I've made the same mistake in April, then by June all the trees have filled in and your sunny spot no longer exists. Males tend to do better with less sun. I wait until almost June now for that reason, plus by then surrounding vegetation provides better camo.

 

[ThanksButNoDank]

wow you guys have been sooo much more helpful, thanks :)

What are your day and nightime temps?
Are they getting enough sunlight?
Whats the pH of your water?
How about the soil condition? dark, rich and loamy or clayish and dull?
You may want to check the pH your water and soil (cheap kits are available)
You may need to fertilize.
It's possible you got some funky weak strain of seeds.

And yes males almost always grow larger than the females.

A lot of folks dig a good sized hole and then add their own soil mix instead of relying on whatever soil-type is in the ground. Or they fertilize accordingly. From your pictures I do not see any signs of nutrient defienicy (discolored leaves, curling, spots etc) or any signs of fungus or molds. Maybe they just need some nitrogen to give them a boost....and Sun and good water.

I would not give up on them. Experiment. That is how you learn. Remember it's nothing but a weed and it is not too complex to grow some halfway decent homegrown.

Yeah i know they grow faster... but i seriously wish i had some picks of them to show you tthe comparison, these plants were tall, wide, thick stemmed, and veryyyy healthly looking, i honestly think i just got the worst of luck

i have potting soil with fertilizer and "water absorbing crystals" that supposed to hold water really well, and believe it or not it actually does, as for nutes, i was kinda late on finding out about that, they are just getting their first white pistils so is it too late to start feeding? and can i use miracle grow all purpose?As for light i dont really know, every time i go there it seems plently sunny to me, most of the time when i go out there they have it directly (i wil post some pics of the clearing above them)

 

[ThanksButNoDank]

Just found the date of an old pic i had, on may 11th they had their 2nd set of spikey leaves, so thats pretty much when vegging started

IMO males grow alot faster than females, are they clones??

nah just my bag seed from 4 20, it was some really good mid tho at least

this was basicly just a learning experience this year, next year i'll get it right :)

And idk im gona need some nute advice, never really used any, i didnt know it was nessesary

 

[ThanksButNoDank]

i think they look good color wise, but check your sun son. if they dont have light they wont grow. i dont think you need more nutes or anything like that. i did notice some mutated leaves, they only had 3 tips, might be a sign of a problem or simply genetics, but definitely check the light.

the leaves on the small one are wierd becuase i moved them to a spot even worse on light, i didnt realize it was that big of a deal at the time, i thought light was light, direct or not, i mean they arent ever shaded like everything in the surrounding area, the light just isnt direct all the time

and theres not really anything i can do about the light, they are in the ground, and i just took them out the pots, idk, maybe i will try to go scout out a new spot, i can probably get them out without disturbing the roots, but it sucks knowing how much time i spent getting that spot stealthy

what i dont understand is ive heard of people growing in little pot shots in the woods in damn near complete shader and they were fine, musta been some bad weed haha

 

[Mogrow]

DON"T throw in the towel on these ladies, they are spindley but they have good color. First thing you need to do is give them room to grow. You've got much to much other veg around them, pull that shit up and let your plants fill in. Then I would look at how much light they're getting, looks like they need more, some bring a saw next time you go to the patch, maybe a machette or axe will do. Then I would look at jacking the nitrogen up, you can still apply some, its not to late, maybe a nice tea, or some guano. Do these things and you'll be surprised at your yield. You gotta make some changes, do it NOW bro......i wanna see the bud porn so get out there and work yer patch....
peace mogrow

 

[ThanksButNoDank]

DON"T throw in the towel on these ladies, they are spindley but they have good color. First thing you need to do is give them room to grow. You've got much to much other veg around them, pull that shit up and let your plants fill in. Then I would look at how much light they're getting, looks like they need more, some bring a saw next time you go to the patch, maybe a machette or axe will do. Then I would look at jacking the nitrogen up, you can still apply some, its not to late, maybe a nice tea, or some guano. Do these things and you'll be surprised at your yield. You gotta make some changes, do it NOW bro......i wanna see the bud porn so get out there and work yer patch....
peace mogrow

EDIT: Luckily i used to work for a green house so im always finding all kinds of plant stuff i forgot about, they gave me a few bags of this for my dying pecan tree but in the back it says it can be used in gardens, lawns, trees, whatever, i took a few pics so u guys can see, also says it has nitrogen which you suggested i add, its also a natural safe alternative to chemical ferts as the greenhouse i worked at was stricly organic, so u guys think its safe to use this for my plants during flowering? idk what 4-4-0 means but u can see it on the pic of the bags

Pleaseeeee tell me these will work i sure hope so :D

every time i find out i need something i end up finiding it somewhere around my house, to bad a cant find a sun to take out there for more light :p

 

[tjrasta]

I dont hear anyone who isnt a grow snob saying not to use miracle grow, this little clone was yellow and 8" tall two weeks ago, so i threw it in some budget potting soil, 1 tblespoon blood meal, 1 tablespoon bone meal, and water every day with a half teaspoon of MG tomato water soluble. look at her now. works for me

 

[motherlode]

if its made for food the tomato MG should be fine

is the old skool blue Mg thats for house plants that you shouldnt use

if your growing weed for yourself why not be a "grow snob"?

 

[Sunbiz1]

if its made for food the tomato MG should be fine

is the old skool blue Mg thats for house plants that you shouldnt use

if your growing weed for yourself why not be a "grow snob"?

Depends on the budget X number of plants. At $18/bag, Fox Farm etc. can get really expensive.

 

[ThanksButNoDank]

if its made for food the tomato MG should be fine

is the old skool blue Mg thats for house plants that you shouldnt use

if your growing weed for yourself why not be a "grow snob"?

darn it is the blue one 0.o, it says all purpose though :/ i guess they didnt consider marijuana when they made it xD, oh well i heard mg is getting in the mmj business now haha xD

or trying to at least, pretty cool for a main stream company to take part in this :D

 

[basement botany]

I make my own soil. It consists of peatmoss, perlite, scotts humus and chicken litter, Miracle grow bonemeal and bloodmeal, jersey greensand and kelpmeal, horticulture lime. I make alot at once in a cement mixer. You can just water till they are done and they produce hefty good tasting buds everytime. I also use liquid karma, molasses and superthrive as suppliments and additives. Ends up costing next to nothing to make large amounts of what I like to call black gold. There are many methods along this line. Gotta go with whats available and cost effective I think thats key. Get into buying a bunch of stuff from hydro shops and ordering online it will cost you.

 

[KillMachineKill]

I don't consider myself a grow snob because I don't use miracle grow, I tell people not to use the original miracle grow because first you can't flush it out, its not made for food consumption so who knows what it is like when you turn it into smoke, honestly even using any fertilizer, they are not tested for what compounds they leave when it is turned into smoke, so to that end I guess use whatever.
It should be use whatever works for you. Some people can pull off miracle grow, for me I use organics and they are expensive, I use a couple of non organics at the end - overdrive, hydroplex. I also am going to pull close to at least 1 lb per plant, probably more like 3 but I try to be conservative.
Also I don't eat at McDonalds or any fast food, don't support Monsanto or any GM Food. Don't grow any vegetable I am going to eat in plastic pots, not to start a rant on your page, but has anyone else thought, that everyone is so worried about BPA in the plastic cups they drink out of or there baby bottles, but isn't most food grown in plastic nursery pots watered with PVC drips lines, isn't that just leaching into your soil - the plants.
I spend more money on my plants then almost anyone I know but in my opinion you have to look at this as an investment (even if for personal because if you run out you have to start buying it) It kills me reading peoples threads on here or talking to people at the grow store that have no problem going out to eat all the time, I was reading someones thread on here who was buying eights all the time but then was saying they couldn't afford running a 400 inside because of PGE, what people have to realize is that if you invested that 100 to 200 dollars a month that you spend on eights or eating out back into some better nutrients you will double triple or quadruple your yields.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Does anyone here make their own compost, and if so what ratio should be used?. I'm thinking 1 part to 3 soil...but have no idea b/c I've never tried it with herb.