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[BudRanger1919]

A few more weeks? You have plenty of space in the front because you only have one but the ones in the back already took all the net, keep in mind that the first 3 weeks after you flip theyre gonna grow like crazy, some strains can double or triple their height. If it does happen, I think we've all been there anyway, you'll have a few tall branches on the sides that you wont be able to pass through the net anymore but thats not the end of the world.

I gotta decrease the lights per hour slowly, GNick in another thread suggested it instead of flipping to straight 12/12 to avoid stress and hermies, so until I get to 14 hours per day ill technically be in veg. I used to just flip 12/12, I didn't know decreasing it slowly reduced stress.

 

[BudRanger1919]

Hell, Im facing the same problem right now because I misscalculated how much they would grow when I bought bigger and tubular pots, it got out of my hands hahaha but nothing serious.

Yeah I have a feeling these 3 might get out of hand for me haha >.<

 

[Eledin]

Yes I saw that in your previous post. I have a friend that does the exact opposite, he gives them 1 day of darkness before flipping to 12/12 but he uses trusthworthy clones it might be risky with seeds. I tried it this run and they are more or less all at the same pace, didnt notice a huge difference, but they also didnt get stressed.

 

[BudRanger1919]

Yes I saw that in your previous post. I have a friend that does the exact opposite, he gives them 1 day of darkness before flipping to 12/12 but he uses trusthworthy clones it might be risky with seeds. I tried it this run and they are more or less all at the same pace, didnt notice a huge difference, but they also didnt get stressed.

That's the way I used to do it, just flip 12/12, but I regularly ran regs I wasn't so worried about. I'm running fems at the moment and this is my first set of seeds from this breeder so I am going easy on them. Ill have to think about this lol. I might try and speed up the flip, find something in-between because you are right. The back 2 only have a few squares left.

 

[Sunin]

I always start at 14/10. and end at 11/13
People ae saying it gives smaller harvest though. I wonder if it's true- somebody would have to run two similar plants and flower them differently. I just don't like that sudden flower. Feels unnatural. And climb is desperate on it. Too desperate

 

[Beachbumm]

I decided to keep the light at 50% for now.

They needed a water yesterday. Their last water was 4 litres 5 days ago, and the bottom of the pots were dry today. This 3rd water was just plain water, as last water included a feed for the soil. I gave them 4 litres each again.
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A slight change of plans. At the suggestion of GNick in another thread, instead of flipping straight to 12/12 I am going to reduce the hours gradually over a few weeks starting today, so the "flip" to flower is going to have a delay. I should have voiced questions earlier as I didn't know a straight 12/12 flip was stressful, its just how I had always done it.

I've done it both ways and never noticed a difference, but it will be interesting to get your take on it down the road

 

[BudRanger1919]

I always start at 14/10. and end at 11/13
People ae saying it gives smaller harvest though. I wonder if it's true- somebody would have to run two similar plants and flower them differently. I just don't like that sudden flower. Feels unnatural. And climb is desperate on it. Too desperate

I wish I would have looked into this sooner. I am going to research progressive flower a bit more, and just keep this flower to a 12/12 flip. I spent a good 30 minutes looking at them today and I don't think I can afford any more veg time I thought I had more space in the back, but I don't!

In just over a month I will have another grow starting. I will figure out progressive flowering for those girls. It makes sense to taper off their hours in veg going towards flower on a schedule. Its what happens in nature so I wanna try it when I have enough proper time for it.

I've done it both ways and never noticed a difference, but it will be interesting to get your take on it down the road

Hey man! Yeah I have always done it 12/12 myself. I wanted to see what people on the breeders discord were doing and they seem to 12/12 flip without worries but the progressive flip makes more sense to me, so I am going to try it next grow. I like the idea of it, I just wished I had of planned for it this grow. I didn't know it was a thing, I just always 12/12'd haha.

 

[Sunin]

I've done it both ways and never noticed a difference, but it will be interesting to get your take on it down the road

tempting. I have already seen few people saying they tried and there was no difference...
Please elaborate @Beachbumm
Similar strains? Gradual is definitely longer

I don't think I can afford any more veg time

I am in similar position researching what I can do to cut flower by a week

 

[Bdubs]

I always start at 14/10. and end at 11/13
People ae saying it gives smaller harvest though. I wonder if it's true- somebody would have to run two similar plants and flower them differently. I just don't like that sudden flower. Feels unnatural. And climb is desperate on it. Too desperate

I would assume this depends on the intensity of light and DLI. If they reduce light hours and don’t increase intensity, extra stress from reduction of light and adds to a stressful transition. It isnt the flipping to flower that really stresses them out, its the ever reduction in DLI that stresses them. So doing a bell lighting curve is great and desirable, but if you don’t know how to manage lights in that equation and just leave the lights as they are, same intensity same distance, you definitely will Slow everything down and give low yields as they say.
So it’s the grower not maintaining proper DLI that affects the yields when performing bell lighting flower transition. They get the light schedule no problem but people always forget to increase that intensity or shorten light distance while they reduce light hours.

Doing the progressive reduction of light hours will actually cause more stress if you do not do it properly with DLI in mind.

 

[Bdubs]

I will say that it is why I don’t start my lights max height and max intensity. I give myself that extra room to increase or decrease as needed. At 100% you are stuck at the whim of the light distance. If you reduce light distance and reduce intensity, you have a whole lot more adjustment available to control those lighting conditions.

 

[Beachbumm]

tempting. I have already seen few people saying they tried and there was no difference...
Please elaborate @Beachbumm
Similar strains? Gradual is definitely longer



I am in similar position researching what I can do to cut flower by a week

I've likely got something written on it in here from years ago under Beachwalker but I don't remember specifics

I know for a time I was running my veg light at either 14 or more likely 16 hours, and when I noticed one starting to put out white pistils I'd pop it in the veg tent but that's about as much as I recall offhand

Edit: I used to do what you said above with the gradual reduction as well and that did make a difference in speeding up the finishing

 

[Sunin]

I would assume this depends on the intensity of light and DLI. If they reduce light hours and don’t increase intensity, extra stress from reduction of light and adds to a stressful transition. It isnt the flipping to flower that really stresses them out, its the ever reduction in DLI that stresses them. So doing a bell lighting curve is great and desirable, but if you don’t know how to manage lights in that equation and just leave the lights as they are, same intensity same distance, you definitely will Slow everything down and give low yields as they say.
So it’s the grower not maintaining proper DLI that affects the yields when performing bell lighting flower transition. They get the light schedule no problem but people always forget to increase that intensity or shorten light distance while they reduce light hours.

Doing the progressive reduction of light hours will actually cause more stress if you do not do it properly with DLI in mind.

well. I won't have problem here as they will be jumping from 95W blue to 640 full
It was easier on HPS -swap the bulb and different season was on
you guys are making me think now to try 12 with grid. I am going to look for that Beachwalker stuff

sorry for trashing your diary BudRanger

 

[BudRanger1919]

sorry for trashing your diary BudRanger

Its all good! The best part of this website is jumping in when you're curious about something talked about in a thread. The community grows together

 

[Beachbumm]

I've likely got something written on it in here from years ago under Beachwalker but I don't remember specifics

I know for a time I was running my veg light at either 14 or more likely 16 hours, and when I noticed one starting to put out white pistils I'd pop it in the veg tent but that's about as much as I recall offhand

Edit: I used to do what you said above with the gradual reduction as well and that did make a difference in speeding up the finishing

Oops! I meant pop it in the flower tent

 

[BudRanger1919]

Day after the flip.
I am very happy with how they are taking to the net, even happier with how they have leveled out. Plants were praying for light this morning so I turned the light up to 60% (440w). Took a picture 7 hours later when they responded. Going to be gradually increasing the light when I notice they are asking for it.

But I think I have good news. I may have found the spell-tomb that will help me fight the witchcraft that turns my plants weird colours in half my pictures. I think it has to do with the white balance but I am fucking clueless with cameras. The above picture I took was 1 of 10, 9 of which were all bad colour before I made any changes.

I took a picture with the 3 best looking settings under my LED, and the most accurate setting seemed to be "Fluorescent", picture below. The other settings were either red tinted, or the green was far too deep and inaccurate. I am sure I can tinker more to get it better, but for now I am satisfied.

 

[Eledin]

Reducing hours of light progressively for starting flower doesnt speed up the process, its safer but it makes it slower. Swaping directly to 12/12 makes the plant produce chemicals that tell her its flower time so all that time youre reducing from 18 to 13 or 12, youre wasting it in my opinion. I have only had hermies once and it was because my timer broke and I didnt realize, they were getting 30 minutes of light during their dark period. I personally lean more to speed than safety because if theyre healthy and the genetic is stable they wont herm on you. As I said before I have a friend that works with quality clones and he gives them 1 entire day of darkness before 12/12 and his runs are very short, never hermies. I tried that this grow and out of 4 only 1 is a couple days behind, not a huge difference but noticeable. No stress, no hermies. Its easy to tell when theyre stressed, specially at the start of flower, when theyre stressed they wont grow as usual for a few days. Oh and he is one of the best growers in the region, his weed is always premium (partially due to the fact that he uses clones from the same mother than award winning plants from the spannabis, but also he is very experienced and has everything automated and in the perfect conditions).

 

[Eledin]

By the way, any form of kelp is very effective against stress. If youre not using kelp during your swap you should, it has 11 vitamins, natural hormones, a ton of minerals and a ton of aminoacids, its the ultimate stress killer. You can top dress it (not as effective but good), mix it in liquid form with the water (more effective) or, even better, if the liquid you have says you can use it foliar, definetely use it foliar (the most effective but only can be done until the pistils show up). If you also mix 1/4 of the usual dosage for foliar feeding with the kelp, they will love you even more. A very light foliar feeding when theyre stressed helps them assimilate nutrients easier and faster to recover faster. I feel like I dont need to say this but just in case, if the liquid doesnt specify it can be used foliarly, dont!
Everyone knows super thrive, the chemicals in it are very similar, the most important being vitamins and aminoacids.

 

[Eledin]

Oof sorry for the third post, I swear its my last for now hahaha but you guys in the USA have very shitty seeds Im sorry to say. You have some of the best seeds in the world but also a lot of mediocre stuff mixed in. Companies that come out of nowhere selling seeds for ridiculous prices, I even heard of people (multiple, not just one) that got auto seeds with their regulars? That has never happened here to anyone I know, in Spain I mean. Always go with a trusthworthy bank that has been around for long and has not lost its constistency on keeping the strains stable. Here in Spain we dont have nearly as much variety of banks to choose from but sometimes less is more, we have the reputable ones, a few good spanish ones and not much else. If anything 00 seeds is kinda shitty, those could definetely herm on you, but they also sell them omegacheap. Not worth it though, of course.

 

[Beachbumm]

Reducing hours of light progressively for starting flower doesnt speed up the process, its safer but it makes it slower. Swaping directly to 12/12 makes the plant produce chemicals that tell her its flower time so all that time youre reducing from 18 to 13 or 12, youre wasting it in my opinion. I have only had hermies once and it was because my timer broke and I didnt realize, they were getting 30 minutes of light during their dark period. I personally lean more to speed than safety because if theyre healthy and the genetic is stable they wont herm on you. As I said before I have a friend that works with quality clones and he gives them 1 entire day of darkness before 12/12 and his runs are very short, never hermies. I tried that this grow and out of 4 only 1 is a couple days behind, not a huge difference but noticeable. No stress, no hermies. Its easy to tell when theyre stressed, specially at the start of flower, when theyre stressed they wont grow as usual for a few days. Oh and he is one of the best growers in the region, his weed is always premium (partially due to the fact that he uses clones from the same mother than award winning plants from the spannabis, but also he is very experienced and has everything automated and in the perfect conditions).

Agree, I think it's a waste of time too

 

[Sunin]

and what that one entire day of darkness is doing exactly?

he gives them 1 entire day of darkness before 12/12 and his runs are very short, never hermies. I tried that this grow and out of 4 only 1 is a couple days behind, not a huge difference but noticeable.

wait- are w still in BudRanger diary?