My Return to Growing by BudRanger!

[Eledin]

Huge improvement! They look way better now, congrats man! If anything, they seem like they could eat more and since you want them to grow I would up the dosage a bit. The progressive yellowing happening on the lower leaves indicates that theyre taking some nutes from the leaves. Its okay because those leaves are gonna go away anyway, but if you want to push the nutrition for them to grow more you can. If you see that some tips from the leaves start to yellow or even brown its the plant telling you to go to the previous dosage, if leaves start clawing and/or deforming and showing a shiny olive green, its telling you she is having too much nitrogen. I always burn a couple of tips because otherwise I dont know how far can I go with nutes, going from seed you never know until you try.

Youre unerstanding me backwards, yellowing tips and edges mean too much food. If the yellowing of the leaf is uniform and not starting by the tip and transfering to the edges then its the plant just discarding the old leaf or taking needed nutes, but if it starts on the tips and goes to the sides while the rest of the leaf is green its nute burn.

 

[Eledin]

I quoted myself because whats happening is what I think I told you that would happen if the plant doesnt want more food. She looked hungry but now she looks a bit overfed, it happens when youre trying to find the max dosage they can tolerate. Some even cant tolerate the recommended dosage if youre unlucky with the pheno.

 

[BudRanger1919]

Youre unerstanding me backwards, yellowing tips and edges mean too much food. If the yellowing of the leaf is uniform and not starting by the tip and transfering to the edges then its the plant just discarding the old leaf or taking needed nutes, but if it starts on the tips and goes to the sides while the rest of the leaf is green its nute burn.

Oh, I see now! So the edges inwards is not consumption it is "please stop feeding me". I took some pictures of the leaves below to confirm, sorry for jerking you back and forth here.
Next water JUST water then?

 

[Eledin]

Oh, I see now! So the edges inwards is not consumption it is "please stop feeding me". I took some pictures of the leaves below to confirm, sorry for jerking you back and forth here.
Next water JUST water then?
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Sorry I keep forgetting that you top dress. Dont worry man, I like spending time here learning and helping if I can. Yes definetely not hungry yellowing but rather burnt yellowing. Try top dressing at 1/3rd because she still needs to eat, she just had too much at once but she still needs to eat. Wait until you see the lower leaves yellow naturally, in a uniform way, an then you will know that you can up the dosage again. I think thats the safest way to go with top dressing when your plant is asking for less. I doubt that at 1/3rd of the dose she will get worse, if anything hungry, but if she does get worse give her only water until she asks for food and if she gets hungry go to 2/3rds. Use the leaves to guide you in that way, even though I lollipop I always leave a few cheat leaves that serve me as indicators. When you lollipop is harder to know if its light stress or nutes because you only have the top canopy. Also dont worry if you lose a couple of lower leaves because the plant is hungry, thats totally fine.

 

[BudRanger1919]

Sorry I keep forgetting that you top dress. Dont worry man, I like spending time here learning and helping if I can. Yes definetely not hungry yellowing but rather burnt yellowing. Try top dressing at 1/3rd because she still needs to eat, she just had too much at once but she still needs to eat. Wait until you see the lower leaves yellow naturally, in a uniform way, an then you will know that you can up the dosage again. I think thats the safest way to go with top dressing when your plant is asking for less. I doubt that at 1/3rd of the dose she will get worse, if anything hungry, but if she does get worse give her only water until she asks for food and if she gets hungry go to 2/3rds.

Its all good, thanks for the help I appreciate it. I will do this then, I will only give her 1/3 of a dose tomorrow. Should I give the other 2 a lowered dose as well?

Use the leaves to guide you in that way, even though I lollipop I always leave a few cheat leaves that serve me as indicators. When you lollipop is harder to know if its light stress or nutes because you only have the top canopy.

I have yet to do my flower strip but its soon, I usually wait until the end of week 2 to do it. I will leave a few leaves around the bottom like that then as little indicators. That's a smart idea!

 

[Eledin]

Its all good, thanks for the help I appreciate it. I will do this then, I will only give her 1/3 of a dose tomorrow. Should I give the other 2 a lowered dose as well?

The leaves Ive seen from the others were fine. Unless theyre showing similar symptoms I would feed them the same. Again, if its just a little bit of yellowing on some tips is fine, I noticed that yours was having problems because I saw it expanding to the edges otherwise I wouldnt have noticed, and with the last picture it made it more clear. So yeah, same for the others, let the leaves guide you hahaha Im starting to sound like Pocahontas.

 

[BudRanger1919]

The leaves Ive seen from the others were fine. Unless theyre showing similar symptoms I would feed them the same. Again, if its just a little bit of yellowing on some tips is fine, I noticed that yours was having problems because I saw it expanding to the edges otherwise I wouldnt have noticed, and with the last picture it made it more clear. So yeah, same for the others, let the leaves guide you hahaha Im starting to sound like Pocahontas.

Haha well hey I loved that story so I dig it. I went back in and looked at the lower parts of the other 2 plants, and they look good. So give them all 1/3, or do you mean feed the other 2 the same as they would usually get?

 

[Eledin]

Haha well hey I loved that story so I dig it. I went back in and looked at the lower parts of the other 2 plants, and they look good. So give them all 1/3, or do you mean feed the other 2 the same as they would usually get?

Since the other ones are not showing any sign that they were overfed I would feed them the same quantity yes. Only 1/3rd to the one that has nute burn. Keep a good eye on her aswell, I dont think its the case but it might be potassium deficiency, it starts in the same way but if its the case your edges will turn brown when its more advanced. In that case put her to her normal dosage again. I know its confusing and a pain in the ass but many problems when they start they look the same and might have completely opposite solutions.

 

[BudRanger1919]

Since the other ones are not showing any sign that they were overfed I would feed them the same quantity yes. Only 1/3rd to the one that has nute burn. Keep a good eye on her aswell, I dont think its the case but it might be potassium deficiency, it starts in the same way but if its the case your edges will turn brown when its more advanced. In that case put her to her normal dosage again. I know its confusing and a pain in the ass but many problems when they start they look the same.

I totally understand, and this is why I was in coco back in the day. Was very simple in principal, but in practice it is too much to keep doing, mixing nutes every single day. I never had an issue other than needing to feed them stronger doses. Soil is a pain in the ass, but I can tell its worth it, even though I have made a few annoying mistakes. I mess up, but that's what learning is about, and I got sick of measuring out doses then correcting PPMs and pH every single day so I decided to go soil. Its just good I have people to help me out, so thank you. I was never part of a place like this.

I will feed the other 2 their regular dosage, and I will give 1/3 to the girl on the left. Thanks for your help man!

 

[Eledin]

I agree, working with coco can be really efficient but you need to keep all the parameters perfect for the plants. The only close friend that I have that grows in coco has it all automated but even then he struggles to make time to prepare the tank and other mainteinance stuff. He is in it only for the money so he doesnt wanna swap to soil, soil gives bigger plants but takes longer. Roots grow easy on coco, thats why is faster, but roots that have to struggle a bit more to grow will give you a more robust plant. He prefeers to make money every 2 months with coco and clones rather than every 3-4 months. His buds are not as big as mine but size doesnt determine quality. He has been in the game for longer than Ive been and that experience shows.

 

[BudRanger1919]

I agree, working with coco can be really efficient but you need to keep all the parameters perfect for the plants. The only close friend that I have that grows in coco has it all automated but even then he struggles to make time to prepare the tank and other mainteinance stuff.

Whenever I prepared H&G nutrients I had to use it within the first 2 days or it would start to get clumpy. I wont lie that it was fun for like 6 months, but mixing gets old quick. I run 3 tents when I get going, so you can imagine how annoying watering is at that stage and I needed something more practical. Half my time was mixing.

He is in it only for the money so he doesnt wanna swap to soil, soil gives bigger plants but takes longer. Roots grow easy on coco, thats why is faster, but roots that have to struggle a bit more to grow will give you a more robust plant. He prefeers to make money every 2 months with coco and clones rather than every 3-4 months. His buds are not as big as mine but size doesnt determine quality. He has been in the game for longer than Ive been and that experience shows.

I liked that about it too, that it was faster. After a few harvests I had more jars than I could smoke, so I figured this time I would ease the effort and try something a little harder but easier to manage. I am just growing for me, but I am going to get into breeding this time too, but that wont be for a while. I would like to make my own seeds, and not just rely on clones again. I don't want to start any of that until I have a handle on living soil.

 

[Sunin]

I am cranking up too. I think you overdid it a bit and good that you backed off. There's few weeks left for that max
Difference of temp is fantastic comparing to HPS ha?

 

[BudRanger1919]

I am cranking up too. I think you overdid it a bit and good that you backed off. There's few weeks left for that max

Your girls are doing really well, I have been following along in your thread. Yeah, I don't know whats going on, it could be either light stress or overfeeding. Eledin thinks its overfeeding because its only 1 plant that has a problem, but he also said it could possibly be light stress so I need to assume it could be that too. But whatever it is something is wrong. I dialed it back to what it was this morning which is 60%, and if I notice any stress tomorrow I will turn it down again.

These are the 2 plants doing well, I don't see any signs of light stress on the first 2, but the 3rd picture something is obviously wrong.

And this is the afflicted plant. Overfeeding? Light stress? Both? What do you think? My current course is to lower my light intensity, and give this girl a 1/3 dose instead of a full dose.

Difference of temp is fantastic comparing to HPS ha?

Now that I am above 50% they are producing a bit of their own heat, but still runs cool. With my heater my tent gets to a minimum of 17 at night, but mostly hang around 19-21. I am paranoid about fires, so I don't want to put my heater in my closet or my tent, the best I can do is bring my lung room temperature up. But it is very nice to have to deal with the cold for a change.

 

[Sunin]

Your girls are doing really well, I have been following along in your thread. Yeah, I don't know whats going on, it could be either light stress or overfeeding. Eledin thinks its overfeeding because its only 1 plant that has a problem, but he also said it could possibly be light stress so I need to assume it could be that too. But whatever it is something is wrong. I dialed it back to what it was this morning which is 60%, and if I notice any stress tomorrow I will turn it down again.

These are the 2 plants doing well, I don't see any signs of light stress on the first 2, but the 3rd picture something is obviously wrong.
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And this is the afflicted plant. Overfeeding? Light stress? Both? What do you think? My current course is to lower my light intensity, and give this girl a 1/3 dose instead of a full dose.
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Now that I am above 50% they are producing a bit of their own heat, but still runs cool. With my heater my tent gets to a minimum of 17 at night, but mostly hang around 19-21. I am paranoid about fires, so I don't want to put my heater in my closet or my tent, the best I can do is bring my lung room temperature up. But it is very nice to have to deal with the cold for a change.

for me she does not look bad at all. she will toughen up
I have one looking worse. I know not much of dressings as I was just simply growing in manure outside and compost (and dog shit too ) but maybe she did hit a patch with too much or too little of something or something locked out
I would wait and watch. Add fungi with water in good PH maybe- they can regulate stuff like this fast
You have something on that third worrying you batch that looks like magnesium (this kinda green neony filling in leaves)
I have to actually do update in my thread about week of detecting calcium and magnesium on mine.
I think under LED demand on calcium and magnesium is bigger than under HPS.
Loaded fair bit in mine and I will repeat with next water after feeding.
So that might be other thing worth look into and read. In your case it would be epsom ya?
They grow super fast
Greets

 

[Eledin]

for me she does not look bad at all. she will toughen up
I have one looking worse. I know not much of dressings as I was just simply growing in manure outside and compost (and dog shit too ) but maybe she did hit a patch with too much or too little of something or something locked out
I would wait and watch. Add fungi with water in good PH maybe- they can regulate stuff like this fast
You have something on that third worrying you batch that looks like magnesium (this kinda green neony filling in leaves)
I have to actually do update in my thread about week of detecting calcium and magnesium on mine.
I think under LED demand on calcium and magnesium is bigger than under HPS.
Loaded fair bit in mine and I will repeat with next water after feeding.
So that might be other thing worth look into and read. In your case it would be epsom ya?
They grow super fast
Greets

Adding epsom salts is a good idea, nice suggestion. Wether it has mag deficiency or not I add them once per month, the plants like it.
As for the fungi, which is a good idea too, if you wanna add them from the same brand (AN) you are looking for Piranha Juice. Voodoo Juice comes with good bacteria but not fungi. Also I would suggest that when you finish that bottle of Voodoo Juice you swap to Tarantula Juice instead. They have similar bacteria so adding both is a bit redundant but Tarantula has bacillus thuringiensis and Voodoo doesnt. Bacillus thuringiensis will secrete a protein that kills any larvae that try to munch on the roots making it impossible for pests like fungus gnats to colonize your soil. I always used great white, not a big fan of microorganisms in liquid form because of the shorter lifespan when stored, but due to lack of money to buy Great White premium 2 grows ago I bought Tarantula and Piranha and Im pretty happy with the results. By the way, store them in the fridge if youre not doing it already.

 

[BudRanger1919]

Adding epsom salts is a good idea, nice suggestion. Wether it has mag deficiency or not I add them once per month, the plants like it.

I have a product called Stone Age which is a top dress, it is "Calcium, Magnesium, and Silica" mineral composite which is my product lines main source of calmag, would you suggest I add a dosage to each plant, or just the effected?

As for the fungi, which is a good idea too,

I actually have a jar of Great White if I need it, and I knew I might. When I went to the store months ago I picked it out of the cabinet because I always use Great White when transplanting, so if this is one of the solutions then that will be a lot easier.

Just so we are all on the same page, here is my short Flower history. With these products, do you think its possible the plant up the back just WASNT ready for the powdered products below?
3 weeks ago I fed my plants their veg top dress, both nutes and calmag and they were all happy. But 4 days ago, their first flower feed, I gave them these powdered products in their water at full strength, as per the Feeding Chart I was given. I only give these products 1/2 the amount of time, but I use max strength, I go water-products-water-products. 2 plants took it very well, one plant is unhappy.
-RHIZO-MOJO is packed with a potent mix of rhizobacterial and biostimulant elements, RHIZO-MOJO dramatically improves nutrient solubilization and plant genetic expression. (rhizo)
-AQUA-MARINE, a revolutionary fertilizer, emerges from the depths of marine science to transform your garden. This 100% marine-derived, potent dry powder fertilizer not only enhances soil nutrient uptake but also provides N.P.K sources that are immediately available and highly bioavailable. (fertilizer, as well as some immediately available nutrients, could this have been too much?)
-OCEAN-POTION is a comprehensive organic booster, engineered with a blend of algal and kelp sources, offering a rich array of benefits for plant growth. This product provides essential minerals like Calcium, Magnesium, Iron, and a suite of highly bioavailable trace minerals.

Here is a short list of Troubleshooting potentials so far.
-Light stress
-Overfeeding, OR Calmag LOCKOUT from overfeeding
-Microbial problems

So what do you think is the best course of action? I have NOT YET watered my plants so there is plenty of time. I can still add what I need, or just give them plain water. I took more pictures today, would love your input man. Do you think my product line I fed them 4 days ago might have been a little hot for them? Perhaps caused a bit of lockout with 1 of the phenos? You have been an amazing help man <3 <3 <3 Sorry for continuously replying to you

LEAF SHOTS, probably important.

 

[Captspaulding]

Back that output down 10% If you can bud.
If it only clicks in 25% increments, still do that, then allow a week for the plant to harden off some more, then click it back up. you stop using veg nutes completely in flower or no? looks like you may have just flipped?

 

[Captspaulding]

I have a product called Stone Age which is a top dress, it is "Calcium, Magnesium, and Silica" mineral composite which is my product lines main source of calmag, would you suggest I add a dosage to each plant, or just the effected?

I actually have a jar of Great White if I need it, and I knew I might. When I went to the store months ago I picked it out of the cabinet because I always use Great White when transplanting, so if this is one of the solutions then that will be a lot easier.

Just so we are all on the same page, here is my short Flower history. With these products, do you think its possible the plant up the back just WASNT ready for the powdered products below?
3 weeks ago I fed my plants their veg top dress, both nutes and calmag and they were all happy. But 4 days ago, their first flower feed, I gave them these powdered products in their water at full strength, as per the Feeding Chart I was given. I only give these products 1/2 the amount of time, but I use max strength, I go water-products-water-products. 2 plants took it very well, one plant is unhappy.
-RHIZO-MOJO is packed with a potent mix of rhizobacterial and biostimulant elements, RHIZO-MOJO dramatically improves nutrient solubilization and plant genetic expression. (rhizo)
-AQUA-MARINE, a revolutionary fertilizer, emerges from the depths of marine science to transform your garden. This 100% marine-derived, potent dry powder fertilizer not only enhances soil nutrient uptake but also provides N.P.K sources that are immediately available and highly bioavailable. (fertilizer, as well as some immediately available nutrients, could this have been too much?)
-OCEAN-POTION is a comprehensive organic booster, engineered with a blend of algal and kelp sources, offering a rich array of benefits for plant growth. This product provides essential minerals like Calcium, Magnesium, Iron, and a suite of highly bioavailable trace minerals.

Here is a short list of Troubleshooting potentials so far.
-Light stress
-Overfeeding, OR Calmag LOCKOUT from overfeeding
-Microbial problems

So what do you think is the best course of action? I have NOT YET watered my plants so there is plenty of time. I can still add what I need, or just give them plain water. I took more pictures today, would love your input man. Do you think my product line I fed them 4 days ago might have been a little hot for them? Perhaps caused a bit of lockout with 1 of the phenos? You have been an amazing help man <3 <3 <3 Sorry for continuously replying to you
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Nice grow buddy. Looks like you haven’t skipped a beat!

 

[BudRanger1919]

Back that output down 10% If you can bud.
If it only clicks in 25% increments, still do that, then allow a week for the plant to harden off some more, then click it back up.

Oh shit its the man, Capt! Good to see you friendo I love watching your threads.
Hey man, backing down that light I can do! Right now it was sitting on 60% at 30" above, and I have just reduced it to 50%. So, weekly increases, take it easy on the intensity, I can do this! Thankfully my dimmer is totally free and I can go to ANY increment without having to click, so I will back it off to 50%.

you stop using veg nutes completely in flower or no? looks like you may have just flipped?

Right now I am at day 1 of week 2 of flower. 3 weeks ago they were given veg top dress, and then 4 days ago they were given their first "flower" products in water which were powdered products, but I have yet to add any top dress. I have 3 top dresses, 1 for veg, 1 for week 1-3 of flower, then 1 for mid to late flower. The Balanced top dress has a bit more nitrogen than the flower dress and is meant to help with stretch.

Only 1 week has passed in flower so I have NOT yet added ANY top dress but I am due to add it very soon, like this week.

Nice grow buddy. Looks like you haven’t skipped a beat!

Thank you man! I think 1 plant is a little unhappy but not dying, but the other 2? They are very happy and haven't been giving me any issues. I think the lady in the top left might be a little fussy and was not ready for the products I added 2 days ago, but I am totally blind here haha.

 

[Captspaulding]

Oh shit its the man, Capt! Good to see you friendo I love watching your threads.
Hey man, backing down that light I can do! Right now it was sitting on 60% at 30" above, and I have just reduced it to 50%. So, weekly increases, take it easy on the intensity, I can do this! Thankfully my dimmer is totally free and I can go to ANY increment without having to click, so I will back it off to 50%.

Right now I am at day 1 of week 2 of flower. 3 weeks ago they were given veg top dress, and then 4 days ago they were given their first "flower" products in water which were powdered products, but I have yet to add any top dress. I have 3 top dresses, 1 for veg, 1 for week 1-3 of flower, then 1 for mid to late flower. The Balanced top dress has a bit more nitrogen than the flower dress and is meant to help with stretch.

Only 1 week has passed in flower so I have NOT yet added ANY top dress but I am due to add it very soon, like this week.

Thank you man! I think 1 plant is a little unhappy but not dying, but the other 2? They are very happy and haven't been giving me any issues. I think the lady in the top left might be a little fussy and was not ready for the products I added 2 days ago, but I am totally blind here haha.

Yeah I think you maybe ticked up to 60% a little fast is all. No biggy, and the color washout may heal up a bit. You are catching it quick so yeah I would just back it down a bit.
Otherwise looks really good. There’s always gonna be one pia right?
That may be a potassium demand, maybe if you run that strain again preload that bloom top dress a little sooner it’ll be in the medium when it gets hangry.