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plants 1 and 2 looking fairly identical. Plant 2 has way less roots.
hit a snag with some rot. My water temps are 77. I added my root pack and started getting white roots again.
Really need a chiller though. the new system has a 1800 gph pump runing 24/7 and keeps my water temps too high for my taste.
ALTHOUGH:: If you research nutrient uptake, plants actually pull more nutes when root temps are higher (80ish).
Next run I may get a chiller for one side, and leave the other side warm. See what happens.
Cap, you still playing with this, any interesting findings?
I think it is an interesting speculation that a smaller root mass may produce equal flower yields. In all sorts of food crops, plants or trees are deliberately stressed to fruit more heavily. However, i tend to think more unrestricted growth, less stress will more likely produce more biomass, but not perhaps as much thc or some other wanted result. One way to conduct this experiment in hydro is too simply simply a small and large container and weigh the root mass after harvest as well as flower yield, If using some kind of media, one must record the original volume and oven dry weight of the soil before and after the experiment. If there are a lot of organics in the media, some may oxidize and some media may settle or collapse during the grow, bur useful info can be gleaned. For instance a larger pot may have a lot of roots at the bottom but the roots in the smaller pot may be forced to exhaust all the media volume so while the smaller pot may appear to have less roots, it may have a more fibrous and packed (rootbound mass). Only way to tell, is to weigh the root biomass at harvest and subtract weight of original media in each pot.You are not the only one who has this concern. Read the first page if you want to see others express the same concern before you have here.
-Meeks
Given all things equal including veg time hydro will absolutely kill soil... its not even a maybe. The growth rates are extremely different. I haven't done a single test but I can say growing in 1 gal pots with enough feed frequency.... I dont belive the more roots more fruits but rather the bigger the plant the more fruits and if the root system has enough mass to feed the size of the plant and access to adequate nutrients then anything more is just.... well not needed.But even if I disagree im very interested to see the result. I'm doing an organic soil vs organic hydro run currently same exact everything in a way sorta doing this test myself. Not necessarily for the smaller sizes although there seems to be pretty hot debates about all that... but another thread another story all im waiting on for that part of the test is my Auto's because in the end I believe thats what they where designed for was the speed involved for the highest yield from a smaller plant again i definitely could and possibly am wrong there but that being said waiting on autos to run against my photos in this hydro vs soil grow because if I throw these autos in the ground and walk away and they yield anything like I believe they can i may go down to one big big plant while the variety of life comes from those little guys in and out another tent every other day it seems like. Looking forward to your grows information
Im not referring to root pruning but more the fact that I don't think we need the space we think we do for roots as long as they are getting what they need.Although I'm all for myth busting and testing ideas, I wonder... the only reason to add a process such as root pruning would be to improve something. So unless you'd see some added benefit like significant increase in yield or quality, or increase speed of maturity or save more time and labor on other aspects of the operation than time invested in pruning roots, there's no real reason to add the process. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Also, I thought the OP was from 2021 lol got those 2 numbers mixed up. But I'm glad this thread got resurrected. It's something I've been wondering about myself. I root pruned the heck out of one of my autos and it stayed super short and matured weeks earlier, but they were very unstable with a wide range of phenos so nowhere near an empirical study.
I definitely agree it wasn't as much on the tiled side other my personal first hydro grow it was more for the taste side in my case I've always been curious as to how right or wrong the soil water argument is flavor wise. Wow is all I can say to some of this micro pot/mega grows and again I agree with the feeding schedules. Just never really thought of it from the smaller or cropped roots aspect but with enough food any size roots could grow huge plants i agreeGiven all things equal including veg time hydro will absolutely kill soil... its not even a maybe. The growth rates are extremely different. I haven't done a single test but I can say growing in 1 gal pots with enough feed frequency.... I dont belive the more roots more fruits but rather the bigger the plant the more fruits and if the root system has enough mass to feed the size of the plant and access to adequate nutrients then anything more is just.... well not needed.
Im not referring to root pruning but more the fact that I don't think we need the space we think we do for roots as long as they are getting what they need.
Basically the size of the rootball imo is not directly related to the yield as was stated forever now and still continues.... "more root more fruits" I don't buy it and feel the bigger the plant the more fruits... the roots only need to be adequate enough to supply the size of the plant. I think its directly related to if the roots have enough of what they need. Sure in organics you may benefit from a larger pot size to supply enough nutrients... but thats not a root size issue.
Feeding mine at 14x a day right now. I forgot the feed timer 2 times and dam near killed em.... but before that they were fine.I hear ya. I wasn't really responding to your comment specifically just to the OP.
I don't have any experience with DWC. Just soil years ago and now 1 and a half coco grows under my belt.
I will add that I did finish my autos in 1gal nursery containers (coco) after transplanting from solo cups, and at some point the coco got so compacted that i had to stick a poker into the coco to get the water to flow freely through the pot. I probably should have been feeding more often than I was so that could have slowed them down a bit too.
But would they have yielded more in a larger container? Maybe only because the roots would have more opportunity to access solution because more coco = longer moisture retention but that is a different story than DWC
Apologies if you already mentioned, what method do you use with that 14x daily feeding? Coco? What size pot etc?Feeding mine at 14x a day right now. I forgot the feed timer 2 times and dam near killed em.... but before that they were fine.
Yeah coco 1 gal. Some older pics... I'll grab some new ones later and post in my thread. The pic of the roots is from all the way back on dec first lolApologies if you already mentioned, what method do you use with that 14x daily feeding? Coco? What size pot etc?
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