Need an experienced ORGANIC grower!

[BirdLaw86]

After learning more and more, Im about to flip to flower, before i do so Id like to discuss ideas and all organic feeding methods with someone whos experimented and has knowledge pertaining to all things organic.

I have natures pride flower dry amendments and I will be using that as the bloom nutes along with diluted jadam IMO inputs. If you have a grasp on these topics and care to share some info, PLEASE DO SO. Thanks ahead of time.

Birdlaw isn't governed by reason

 

[CannaGranny]

After learning more and more, Im about to flip to flower, before i do so Id like to discuss ideas and all organic feeding methods with someone whos experimented and has knowledge pertaining to all things organic.

I have natures pride flower dry amendments and I will be using that as the bloom nutes along with diluted jadam IMO inputs. If you have a grasp on these topics and care to share some info, PLEASE DO SO. Thanks ahead of time.

Birdlaw isn't governed by reason

I grow completely organic and it starts with my soil. While in flower I simply use 1 tablespoon of black strap molasses’s per gallon of water, Farmers Pride Grow (kelp) and seaweed. I’d be happy to share my process start to finish if you wanted. Not knowing what all you may have already fed nor the type of soil you are growing in leaves me at a disadvantage. Happy Growing!

 

[BirdLaw86]

The soils a mix of some happy frog to start as seedling but then transplanted into more potent soil, the mix is an all organic tomato soil with a about 2 cups of a version of sub cools super soil which is using ffof as base.

The compost teas ive fed have been blackstrap molasses kelp and worm castings. Very diluted bc the new soil transplanted into has nutes so i didnt want to over feed.

The jadam inputs are microbiological teas without an air hose to cultivate differing microbes and theyre added at 1ml per gallon, only done once 2 days ago and far less than a gallon was fed, maybe half a liter. My next input for feeding will be 1ml of lactobacillus with either a kelp and wormcastings tea or ill begin the natures pride...thoughts?

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

SF1000 goes Organic in our 2x4 | THCFarmer

 

[MedicalOnly]

Google buildasoil, dude has organic soil down to a science

 

[BirdLaw86]

I know the build a soil guy. Ive read a bunch on his stuff. Im using some of his info along with KNF and Jadam techniques. My questions were pertaining to weather I should add my natures pride dry ammendment after i flip to flower or a few days before so it has a jumpstart to breakdown for when they do flip into flower...so should i wait till flip or add some prior?

 

[MedicalOnly]

Prior

 

[ezenzyme]

Few things you should know, in transition you still want N i like to run balanced NPK during the first two weeks of flower and then start to lower my N but NOT completely cut out till the last four to six weeks. For top dressings your going to want to use them every 10 days, slightly upping it with every dose. Sea bird really helps with density at the end, i would supplment your pre mix with some DTE stuff. Few more things....
Compost tea isnt really a nutrient tea, its 100% about blooming forward bacteria that then feeds the soil. With diversity being the focus i would use manure and compost and EWC thats sourced locally and try to change it up every time. Using it as a nutrient tea is incorrect application, needed once every ten days or so.
LABS and EM are anaerobic brews, so do not aerate them or you will kill off the microbes that they are all about. I would also use them for anaerobic ferments, such as banana and chicken
When you say IMO what exactly do you mean?
Also to really get your top dressing poppin make sure you culture it in and then using compost tea or a SST will really kick it into high gear and get it bangin right away.
Every third or fourth water use fish kelp compost tea sst or labs keeping them separate.

 

[BirdLaw86]

Ty lots of info there. Imo is short for indigenous micro organisms and i know its to feed the biology then inturn feeds the plant. However by brewing these teas they are full of nutes so it is adding feed into the soil, unless what ive read is wrong...i know the anaerobic vs the oxygenated, got some LAB brewing around day 5 or 6 right now. Theres been 2 types of teas added now, three applications but all very diluted amounts so i can watch the results but 1 tea has the air pump and the other which was most recently added is anaerobic. Im seeing good results as far as i knew according to root growth and then this 2nd tea has seemed to help also still waiting to see more results as it was only 2 or 3 days ago however it did cause the microgreens to sprout when they got a taste of it....you said suppliment my premix with dte..elaborate not familiar with that term.

 

[ezenzyme]

Down to earth, its a brand of omri listed dry amendments can be had at most hydro stores. But your system seems fine i would just do more often and constantly upping the nutrient inputs, unless your in very large dirt. Of course theYes compost tea will have small amounts of nutrition, i have never gotten over 500 ppm with molasses and compost and we were running like fifteen handfuls in a fifty gal brew. But really what compost tea is about is making bacteria, protozoa and nematodes and that really feeds the soil not the plant. Thats really the organic thing, feed the soil not the plant! Do you have a PPM meter?

 

[BirdLaw86]

Down to earth, its a brand of omri listed dry amendments can be had at most hydro stores. But your system seems fine i would just do more often and constantly upping the nutrient inputs, unless your in very large dirt. Of course theYes compost tea will have small amounts of nutrition, i have never gotten over 500 ppm with molasses and compost and we were running like fifteen handfuls in a fifty gal brew. But really what compost tea is about is making bacteria, protozoa and nematodes and that really feeds the soil not the plant. Thats really the organic thing, feed the soil not the plant! Do you have a PPM meter?

No ppm yet. Working on it as this set up cost me a bit more than i expected but the other tools needed are on the wish list.

My natures pride flower ammendment will be the top dressing and ill regular water aside from 1 maybe two more teas.

 

[Treecutter]

I use bat guano in top 2 inches of soil when I flip and the mid flower. With that amendment

Feeds are 1/2dose Alaskan fish fertilizer, compost tea from bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings from AZ Worm farm. Then on the off feed 1 tablespoon black strap molasses unsulfered 2 Table spoons Brown Sugar per gallon of water till week 7.

All my soil is recycled and amended and rebuilt every grow little more compost and nutrients After about the 6th grow i have to basically rebuild it with coco, perlite, lava rock, compost worm casting etc. Its almost a powder by the 6th grow.

I do add about 1/5 of my soil to the new mix to inoculate the new mix.

Works well for me

 

[Badinfluence]

After learning more and more, Im about to flip to flower, before i do so Id like to discuss ideas and all organic feeding methods with someone whos experimented and has knowledge pertaining to all things organic.

I have natures pride flower dry amendments and I will be using that as the bloom nutes along with diluted jadam IMO inputs. If you have a grasp on these topics and care to share some info, PLEASE DO SO. Thanks ahead of time.

Birdlaw isn't governed by reason

I'm growing in build a soil 3.0 (3rd grow). And out of the bag it's a pretty hot mixture of nutrients. So obviously you have to start your seedlings in starter. I'm in 15 gallon containers and after about 30-40 days I have to add build a soil's craft blend. This keeps it thriving. At the end of the first week in flower I add more and start my flower feeding. The only two things I do outside of build a soil products is I add mammoth silicone and root wise. It seems to really keep it going. And from my understanding the craft blend can be used to amend the soil for a second run. I haven't tried that yet but it definitely kicks the plants in to gear without burning them. Nature's pride has some great stuff but I see they very in content, so I would be careful. I know Jeremy has talked about other amendment products but I think craft blend was designed in a way that takes the guess work out of it.
If you do use the nature's pride I'm curious as to the outcome. Especially if it can one up the craft blend.
This doesn't really answer your question but maybe gives you something to consider.

 

[BirdLaw86]

I'm growing in build a soil 3.0 (3rd grow). And out of the bag it's a pretty hot mixture of nutrients. So obviously you have to start your seedlings in starter. I'm in 15 gallon containers and after about 30-40 days I have to add build a soil's craft blend. This keeps it thriving. At the end of the first week in flower I add more and start my flower feeding. The only two things I do outside of build a soil products is I add mammoth silicone and root wise. It seems to really keep it going. And from my understanding the craft blend can be used to amend the soil for a second run. I haven't tried that yet but it definitely kicks the plants in to gear without burning them. Nature's pride has some great stuff but I see they very in content, so I would be careful. I know Jeremy has talked about other amendment products but I think craft blend was designed in a way that takes the guess work out of it.
If you do use the nature's pride I'm curious as to the outcome. Especially if it can one up the craft blend.
This doesn't really answer your question but maybe gives you something to consider.

The grow your own greens and boogie brew hippie guys suggested it. They spent time in i think oregon or somewhere out there with some longtime legend of the grow situations and this well known mystic dude suggested natures pride to these two hippie cats. Google them and youll find a super soil recipe containing the natures pride

 

[BirdLaw86]

I use bat guano in top 2 inches of soil when I flip and the mid flower. With that amendment

Feeds are 1/2dose Alaskan fish fertilizer, compost tea from bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings from AZ Worm farm. Then on the off feed 1 tablespoon black strap molasses unsulfered 2 Table spoons Brown Sugar per gallon of water till week 7.

All my soil is recycled and amended and rebuilt every grow little more compost and nutrients After about the 6th grow i have to basically rebuild it with coco, perlite, lava rock, compost worm casting etc. Its almost a powder by the 6th grow.

I do add about 1/5 of my soil to the new mix to inoculate the new mix.

Works well for me

im digging your style bro. I have same plan for feeds and for recycling the soil but my manure i just got is the black kow, seems about the only difference. And my jadam inputs, not sure if your adding those.

 

[Badinfluence]

im digging your style bro. I have same plan for feeds and for recycling the soil but my manure i just got is the black kow, seems about the only difference. And my jadam inputs, not sure if your adding those.

Not yet although I'm open to new info. I did pretty good the first two grows and I really don't want to rock the boat too much. Hit me with that knowledge tho. Cause if it's working I'm in.

 

[BirdLaw86]

Roll a blunt and get ready for a rabbit hole bro. But its very valuable. Its called KNF organic farming and Jadam organic farming. To summarize theyll give you instructional step by step recipes for lowcost/free and much healthier for you and the plant. Youre using all natural available ingredients like microgreens, marijuana cuttings, bananna peels, egg shells, indigenous dirt and sea salt. Youll utilize these different mixes at different times of the plants life cycle, what got me was the custom taylored readily available nutes for different stages..for instance in early veg feed it seedling tea and seed sprout tea to utilize the newly grown ingredients which contain enzymes and hormones that will signal root growth and new growth simply bc the ingredients you made the recipe from is new growth and new sprouts...further if youre mid to late veg use the defoliated leaves and the shitty new sprouts to make a FPJ high in nitrogen and enzymes and hormones to boost streching in veg and then for flower you can use ripening fruits they reccomend like bananna flower to signal your plant to begin to produce its fruits. This shit goes deep but once i seen how custom made these brews could be, i dove in, next benefit is that were not supporting the big manufactures like montasanto or wtf ever it is, but its nearly free and allows you more control over whats in your soil and ultimately your budd. I already added about 3 tp 4 of their inputs like imo and LAB also i have a seedsprout tea from microgreens and a fpj from defoliation on my plant, Ill combine them and feed in 3 days. I can tell by her growth its working great. I like the results tbh. Pics below.

 

[Badinfluence]

Roll a blunt and get ready for a rabbit hole bro. But its very valuable. Its called KNF organic farming and Jadam organic farming. To summarize theyll give you instructional step by step recipes for lowcost/free and much healthier for you and the plant. Youre using all natural available ingredients like microgreens, marijuana cuttings, bananna peels, egg shells, indigenous dirt and sea salt. Youll utilize these different mixes at different times of the plants life cycle, what got me was the custom taylored readily available nutes for different stages..for instance in early veg feed it seedling tea and seed sprout tea to utilize the newly grown ingredients which contain enzymes and hormones that will signal root growth and new growth simply bc the ingredients you made the recipe from is new growth and new sprouts...further if youre mid to late veg use the defoliated leaves and the shitty new sprouts to make a FPJ high in nitrogen and enzymes and hormones to boost streching in veg and then for flower you can use ripening fruits they reccomend like bananna flower to signal your plant to begin to produce its fruits. This shit goes deep but once i seen how custom made these brews could be, i dove in, next benefit is that were not supporting the big manufactures like montasanto or wtf ever it is, but its nearly free and allows you more control over whats in your soil and ultimately your budd. I already added about 3 tp 4 of their inputs like imo and LAB also i have a seedsprout tea from microgreens and a fpj from defoliation on my plant, Ill combine them and feed in 3 days. I can tell by her growth its working great. I like the results tbh. Pics below.

Those have great color. They do look good. I will look them up for sure. I've been curious about teas so it's worth a look. This sounds like a solid way to grow. Thanks

 

[BirdLaw86]

Those have great color. They do look good. I will look them up for sure. I've been curious about teas so it's worth a look. This sounds like a solid way to grow. Thanks

Its all about giving you the power. A long time rastafarian student of yungsung cho the founder of jadam says by doing this, you can consider yourself involved in microbiological husbandry, where you are the sheppard of the microbial and fungal lifeforms which in turn take care of your plant. Nothing made in a lab or a factory can compare to the proven results of mother nature. If your organic, i strongly suggest simple compost teas let alone the deeper stuff like KNF or jadam. If you get into these two topics youll be mind blown bro. Another good thing is 90% of their inputs that you add to soil are very diluted so its hard to hard the plants. Legit the Lactobacillus i made has the plants looking lovely. If you look at some of ky other posts or pics on my profile youll see how the plant didnt always look that way

Birdlaw isnt governed by reason

Ps idk if i added photos of the inputs ive made so far but ill drop a few pics. Its easy as helllllll. The white one is LAB, the green one is FPJ and the bucket is an IMO tea.

Pps. Grab a pack or two of microgreens and an aloe plant at lowes or wherever and repot the aloe bigger pot then grow some microgreens on a tray or right in your pot, im doing both. Then youll have the starters for your mixes along with the defoliation. If you do plant to try, cook your eggs shells and dry ylur bananna peels asap to.get a jump on their process.