Need help with the photon app pls

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OOOO Bull Shit!!! It takes years to master reading plants and knowing ones lights and what they can do and how to use them. And as fast as tech changes I will take all the help I can buy, beg or borrow. Good mechanics use good tools and all the tools they have at there disposal. I would have given my left nut to have this meter in 1975 when I started.
Gotcha. What could honestly go wrong if you dont have one though? uh oh light burn *lowers intensity* ...and scene.
 
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Don't be rude @Blastfact he was giving you all a compliment. If there was a cheaper meter i'd buy it. I just don't think there is.
I wasn't being rude. Good tools cost money. You going to build a engine with a china pos torque wrench and expect to have a good engine build. Or use your arm meter to torque those main and rod bearings down.
 
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Gotcha If Aqua says I dont need it then I trust him
I think his point is, home growers don’t have to have fancy pricy equipment like commercial grows do have, and to still be able to grow some fuckin dank

But

Obviously meters are fucking awesome, and without knowing the science, and having proper tools to measure the variables to properly tweak each one.

and if you have no experience at all, and are just reading and plug and playing numbers then yea meters are godsend.
 
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I think his point is, home growers don’t have to have fancy pricy equipment like commercial grows do have, and to still be able to grow some fuckin dank

But

Obviously meters are fucking awesome, and without knowing the science, and having proper tools to measure the variables, and if you have no experience at all, and are just reading and plug and playing numbers then yea meters are godsend.
True weed so cheap in my area that's why spending $500 is crazy . Weed got cheap right when I went into growing horrible timing lmao. 70$ a zip
 
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True weed so cheap in my area that's why spending $500 is crazy . Weed got cheap right when I went into growing horrible timing lmao. 70$ a zip
Is it a good 70$ a zip though? Like idk

20-25%thc at least, atleast green and not dark nor over dried-does it crumble apart/breaks apart/dust easily or does it stickily pull apart, has a smell, And taste good?

If you can grow a lb for 100$, sell [email protected]$Per that’s still 1020$ Left
 
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Is it a good 70$ a zip though? Like idk

20-25%thc at least, atleast green and not dark nor over dried-does it crumble apart/breaks apart/dust easily or does it stickily pull apart, has a smell, And taste good?
Yeah it's perfect for my preference

Edit: found a bagged seed a few months ago in one of the strains I really liked got my ass hyped to see if it's female/a good pheno
 
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I agree with Aqua man 👍 The leaves on your plant(s) will tell you what your plant(s) need and how much light they need. I think a lot of unnecessary equipment purchasers confuse good growing techniques with owning a lot of bull shit that they figure will fix their problems, but they really don't, they give them false hopes. I grow many different genetics indoors over time and I can say for certainty that there are to many factors involved to depend on some given number. I have even found that following feeding charts by some nutrient manufactures to be way off on some genetics, but hey they want to sell more and if you are gullible to believe that nutrient mixes work equally on all plants, then you will have much to learn. Just look at your plants and pay attention to what they are showing you🧐
 
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Gotcha If Aqua says I dont need it then I trust him
As he said the number on the meter or phone app is a point of reference. Learn to read the leaves and note the numbers on the app when the leaves look their happiest. You can use that number in the future as a reference assuming you are using the same app and phone. The sweet spot will change from grow to grow but you will be closer to it each grow.
 
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Yeah it's perfect for my preference

Edit: found a bagged seed a few months ago in one of the strains I really liked got my ass hyped to see if it's female/a good pheno
Sweet always love seeing

Like a box of chocolates…..
 
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As he said the number on the meter or phone app is a point of reference. Learn to read the leaves and note the numbers on the app when the leaves look their happiest. You can use that number in the future as a reference assuming you are using the same app and phone. The sweet spot will change from grow to grow but you will be closer to it each grow.
Yeah I feel you
 
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I agree with Aqua man 👍 The leaves on your plant(s) will tell you what your plant(s) need and how much light they need. I think a lot of unnecessary equipment purchasers confuse good growing techniques with owning a lot of bull shit that they figure will fix their problems, but they really don't, they give them false hopes. I grow many different genetics indoors over time and I can say for certainty that there are to many factors involved to depend on some given number. I have even found that following feeding charts by some nutrient manufactures to be way off on some genetics, but hey they want to sell more and if you are gullible to believe that nutrient mixes work equally on all plants, then you will have much to learn. Just look at your plants and pay attention to what they are showing you🧐
💯
 
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OOOO Bull Shit!!! It takes years to master reading plants and knowing ones lights and what they can do and how to use them. And as fast as tech changes I will take all the help I can buy, beg or borrow. Good mechanics use good tools and all the tools they have at there disposal. I would have given my left nut to have this meter in 1975 when I started.
We can agree to disagree I guess
 
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I wasn't being rude. Good tools cost money. You going to build a engine with a china pos torque wrench and expect to have a good engine build. Or use your arm meter to torque those main and rod bearings down.
Only its like taking torque specs for a pinto and applying them to a lambo cause each plant and grow room has different requirements
 
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Only its like taking torque specs for a pinto and applying them to a lambo cause each plant and grow room has different requirements
Nobody has ever said grows don't differ, conditions don't differ, but to preach a 2 to 5 year skill with growers not understanding there lights. Heck some of them can't figure out how to water. Yeah know when I started the postmaster would throw away your hightimes. There was no net,,, no books easy to get your hands on. There were a few groups around the country and a few mail groups and those names and addresses changed all the time,,, the postmaster once again. To get any help from a master grower was by invitation only. You HAD to be vetted! And nobody has ever said a meter is necessary! Heck when I started we didn't have ph meters. People were using fish tank and swimming pool reagents/kits if they even believed in ph. And those test kits are wildly inaccurate. I remember getting my first ph and tds meter. Cost a $1k for the pair. And I back doored them through a boiler supply house. I worked a third job to buy that pair and saved like a wild man for a year. We learned to grow for the most part outdoor and ran a awful risk of getting busted. And a so so light back then cost as much as a top tier light cost now and was not near as good and more times then not your were buying out of Europe and adapting. I'm all for the tech and skillset. Tech has always cost and there is no true replacement for good tools. And I for one will not go backwards concerning the tech and it's use. I'm the 61 year old cat thats had the Hemi Cuda's and Chargers. I'd much rather have a Focus RS now days. :)
 
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Nobody has ever said grows don't differ, conditions don't differ, but to preach a 2 to 5 year skill with growers not understanding there lights. Heck some of them can't figure out how to water. Yeah know when I started the postmaster would throw away your hightimes. There was no net,,, no books easy to get your hands on. There were a few groups around the country and a few mail groups and those names and addresses changed all the time,,, the postmaster once again. To get any help from a master grower was by invitation only. You HAD to be vetted! And nobody has ever said a meter is necessary! Heck when I started we didn't have ph meters. People were using fish tank and swimming pool reagents/kits if they even believed in ph. And those test kits are wildly inaccurate. I remember getting my first ph and tds meter. Cost a $1k for the pair. And I back doored them through a boiler supply house. I worked a third job to buy that pair and saved like a wild man for a year. We learned to grow for the most part outdoor and ran a awful risk of getting busted. And a so so light back then cost as much as a top tier light cost now and was not near as good and more times then not your were buying out of Europe and adapting. I'm all for the tech and skillset. Tech has always cost and there is no true replacement for good tools. And I for one will not go backwards concerning the tech and it's use. I'm the 61 year old cat thats had the Hemi Cuda's and Chargers. I'd much rather have a Focus RS now days. :)
I think its quite simple really. You can easily see the upper most leaves go from flat to a V shape. So you start low and increase the intensity until you see them go from flat to just a slight V as this is the first sign of light stress.

Right at that edge is maximizing the light by keeping the plants ever so slightly light stressed
 
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If anything in growing pot needs a ' torque wrench' it is ferts not lighting .
The apogee is among the best meters if you really need to know where lighting is at.
The apps are ok if you just wonder .
One way or the other you will learn to read your plants or have troubles no meter or app will fix ? They may explain the trouble ,but the plant was trying to tell you all along ?
Turning your lights up to a 'target ' number or per say following the mfg. instructions [ 6 inches @100% during flower] is a recipe for disaster.
You learn to push your plants by reading your plants .
I still have much to learn .
 

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