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Need more help!!! leaves are curling

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#22
Xochill2u said:
So when do you use buds and bloom. Because it says it’s safe to give bug bloom throughout the entire stage.
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The entire budding stage, so when it's larger and you flip it to 12/12 or put it outside to start budding. Stick to the grow big for now. Maybe some cal/mag too.
 
#24
TSD said:
Seedling stage is only about 2 weeks and they don't need to be fed during that time, they're so small and delicate, it's very easy to burn and kill them during that stage.
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Ok cool. So use grow big during veg stage and big bloom once budding starts?
 
#28
Looks light burnt and seeing some tacoing so I'd think you giving to much light also.

And as others have said you don't need nutrients for probably a month or so as that soil contains them.
 
#29
Humidity is way too low, shoot for 65%-70%. That will help the leaves from drying up. The plants are way young. Flush with PH correct water. You need a ppm of ~130-150 before adding any ph buffer. To be simple, buy some distilled water. Add Cal Mag+ to that water until the ppm is 140. The ph will be 5.8. Add Fox Farm Sledge Hammer. (follow the instructions for Sledge Hammer and use it as often as it recommends to avoid build up) Check ph. You shouldn't have to buffer. Flush the media with this solution. Take the ppm of the runoff. It will probably be super high. Ocean Forest is the most augmented soil Fox Farm makes, you have small plants that aren't taking on that additional nutrients you are giving. The soil has a really high PPM to start with, it just needs water for the first few weeks or so. You've added so much that there is a build up, and the plants are having trouble taking on water because the water is saturated with nutrient salts. When nutrient salt concentrations go up, ph often goes down. Fox Farm recommends making a slurry of the media to get a ph of the media. However, checking the ph of your runoff is going to be useful here to see the ph of water once it dissolves the salts. When ph gets very low, the soluble nutrient salts react with acids and precipitate insoluble compounds. The insoluble compounds are conductive, ionic salts so they add to ppm--a measure of conductivity. But they are not available to the plant. They are "locked up". What needs to happen is the media needs to be flushed out completely over several days. Then, when you flush them over the next few weeks and get to a proper ph, and a reasonable ppm from your runoff, you can start adding nutrients. Ignore the amounts on the Fox Farm instructions. Go for a PPM of 200 to start, not 400+. That is add 200 to the 140 ppm of cal mag in your distilled water, so 340 ppm total with Bloom Big, and Boomerang. Use that for a week or two. Then add about 1/2 the Wholly Mackerel in the next week. The following week add the full dose. Ramp up to the 420 ppm they recommend. Now you can start with the schedule. Over the next month go on the low end for ppm on the feeding chart for veg.
 
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Here’s a picture of her now guys. How does she look??
 

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#31
corndog said:
Humidity is way too low, shoot for 65%-70%. That will help the leaves from drying up. The plants are way young. Flush with PH correct water. You need a ppm of ~130-150 before adding any ph buffer. To be simple, buy some distilled water. Add Cal Mag+ to that water until the ppm is 140. The ph will be 5.8. Add Fox Farm Sledge Hammer. (follow the instructions for Sledge Hammer and use it as often as it recommends to avoid build up) Check ph. You shouldn't have to buffer. Flush the media with this solution. Take the ppm of the runoff. It will probably be super high. Ocean Forest is the most augmented soil Fox Farm makes, you have small plants that aren't taking on that additional nutrients you are giving. The soil has a really high PPM to start with, it just needs water for the first few weeks or so. You've added so much that there is a build up, and the plants are having trouble taking on water because the water is saturated with nutrient salts. When nutrient salt concentrations go up, ph often goes down. Fox Farm recommends making a slurry of the media to get a ph of the media. However, checking the ph of your runoff is going to be useful here to see the ph of water once it dissolves the salts. When ph gets very low, the soluble nutrient salts react with acids and precipitate insoluble compounds. The insoluble compounds are conductive, ionic salts so they add to ppm--a measure of conductivity. But they are not available to the plant. They are "locked up". What needs to happen is the media needs to be flushed out completely over several days. Then, when you flush them over the next few weeks and get to a proper ph, and a reasonable ppm from your runoff, you can start adding nutrients. Ignore the amounts on the Fox Farm instructions. Go for a PPM of 200 to start, not 400+. That is add 200 to the 140 ppm of cal mag in your distilled water, so 340 ppm total with Bloom Big, and Boomerang. Use that for a week or two. Then add about 1/2 the Wholly Mackerel in the next week. The following week add the full dose. Ramp up to the 420 ppm they recommend. Now you can start with the schedule. Over the next month go on the low end for ppm on the feeding chart for veg.
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So I added ph boosters without seeing this first. Does that make a difference now? And are you saying out the Cal Mag in the water and use tht instead of regular water?
 
#32
Xochill2u said:
So I added ph boosters without seeing this first. Does that make a difference now? And are you saying out the Cal Mag in the water and use tht instead of regular water?
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Buy this book: p 99-157

"The ph of pure distilled water is very unstable and has no buffering ability. The addition of a tiny amount of acid makes it very acidic and a small amount of base makes it alkaline ... Alkalinity is a measure of water's ability to buffer acid, that is, resist change in ph when acid is added" (149)

If you put phosphoric acid in distilled water you have a weak solution of phosphoric acid. It will have a lower ph, but you aren't trying to get a weak solution of acid and that's not good for plants. You need something in the water to buffer the acid, that is react with the acid. When you have a ppm of about 130 you have enough alkaline salts in the water to react with the phosphoric acid. Botanicare CalMag+ is calcium nitrate and magnesium nitrate. The phosphoric acid reacts with these salts and precipitate out insoluble salts Ca3(PO4)2 and Na3(PO4)2 and a dissolved nitrate--which is good for plants.

"Alkalinity is tested by measuring the ppm of your water before adding nutrients or ph adjuster. Water with a ppm of 125-175 generally has enough Ca to act as a buffer without having so much alkalinity that the water is hard to adjust. Water that has a low Ca content can be adjusted by using Cal-Mag ... [f]irst add the Cal-Mag if needed; then adjust the ph. Then add fertilizers to the water if needed then adjust the ph" (150)

I don't adjust ph twice like Ed says to do. I add Cal Mag until I get to 140 ppm, then add my fertilizers, then buffer ph, then I add any microbes I am using.

It would help you out in the long run to learn some basic chemistry as well: chapters 2, 4, 16, 17

Why is there so much water sprayed all over your tent?
https://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Growers-Handbook-Complete-Cultivation/dp/0932551467
https://www.amazon.com/General-Chemistry-Raymond-Chang-Dr/dp/0073402753
 
#33
corndog said:
Buy this book: p 99-157

"The ph of pure distilled water is very unstable and has no buffering ability. The addition of a tiny amount of acid makes it very acidic and a small amount of base makes it alkaline ... Alkalinity is a measure of water's ability to buffer acid, that is, resist change in ph when acid is added" (149)

If you put phosphoric acid in distilled water you have a weak solution of phosphoric acid. It will have a lower ph, but you aren't trying to get a weak solution of acid and that's not good for plants. You need something in the water to buffer the acid, that is react with the acid. When you have a ppm of about 130 you have enough alkaline salts in the water to react with the phosphoric acid. Botanicare CalMag+ is calcium nitrate and magnesium nitrate. The phosphoric acid reacts with these salts and precipitate out insoluble salts Ca3(PO4)2 and Na3(PO4)2 and a dissolved nitrate--which is good for plants.

"Alkalinity is tested by measuring the ppm of your water before adding nutrients or ph adjuster. Water with a ppm of 125-175 generally has enough Ca to act as a buffer without having so much alkalinity that the water is hard to adjust. Water that has a low Ca content can be adjusted by using Cal-Mag ... [f]irst add the Cal-Mag if needed; then adjust the ph. Then add fertilizers to the water if needed then adjust the ph" (150)

I don't adjust ph twice like Ed says to do. I add Cal Mag until I get to 140 ppm, then add my fertilizers, then buffer ph, then I add any microbes I am using.

It would help you out in the long run to learn some basic chemistry as well: chapters 2, 4, 16, 17

Why is there so much water sprayed all over your tent?
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Ok will do and the humidifier got a little carried away last night.
https://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Growers-Handbook-Complete-Cultivation/dp/0932551467
https://www.amazon.com/General-Chemistry-Raymond-Chang-Dr/dp/0073402753
 
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