New Advanced Nutrients Digital Ballast Coming Soon

Seamaiden · Oct 24, 2010

Illmind said:
EMF and RF? They two different things. EMF is an electromagnetic field. RF is radio frequency. heh. Letys just say I know electricity.

Yes, and no, they're also the same sort of thing. But main point is, is my statement untrue? EMF (or if you like, EMI) can cause interference as well as RF, no? They're all radio waves, in truth of fact, just different frequencies, no? All sources of interference are going to require a greater or lesser degree of shielding, yes? That's what I'm driving at.

goleboy said:
Anyone ever think of building a RF shielded box to enclose ballasts in ? Maybe mount them externally

Already around. Google "radio frequency shield" or "shielding".

Quitters · Oct 25, 2010

good question

goleboy said:
Anyone ever think of building a RF shielded box to enclose ballasts in ?

wouldn't products like b-ir work as a barrier to cover a box with ?

ive read postings in the past of there being no cellphone signals in grow rooms wrapped in those products, just saying.

Seamaiden · Oct 25, 2010

Radio frequency shielding--Google shopping results.

Illmind · Oct 25, 2010

EMI doesn't raidiate through the air. It's usually caused by ground currents of very VERY low values and is transmitted through metal conduits. RFI is noise, like a buzzing on your radio and it radiates through the air from the source, it can be conducted from one residence to another. Happy? EMI is nothing to worry about these days fedral guidelines make sure that isolated ground receptacles are installed around stuff like computers to minimize noise. That is only in HEAVY commercial work when your dealing with IMMENSE ammounts of power. That isn't necassary in residential. And if you put a harddrive on a wire pulling 10 amps it wouldn't affect the HD. If you took a magnet to it, a whole different story. As I said before I thought they used a low frequency heavily shielded balast to minimize RF noise and apparantly they didn't although in that video the radio is up the ballasts ass. Still don't want that type of interference.

Motherhugger · Oct 26, 2010

Interesting discussion here. Still waiting on someone to talk about how the Advanced Nutrients ballasts work. I'm not spending any more money in my room until I know that they work as well as they seem to.

I'm interested in seeing rooms that rock these ballasts.

Keep this discussion going....great info here.

Seamaiden · Oct 26, 2010

Illmind said:
EMI doesn't raidiate through the air. It's usually caused by ground currents of very VERY low values and is transmitted through metal conduits. RFI is noise, like a buzzing on your radio and it radiates through the air from the source, it can be conducted from one residence to another. Happy? EMI is nothing to worry about these days fedral guidelines make sure that isolated ground receptacles are installed around stuff like computers to minimize noise. That is only in HEAVY commercial work when your dealing with IMMENSE ammounts of power. That isn't necassary in residential. And if you put a harddrive on a wire pulling 10 amps it wouldn't affect the HD. If you took a magnet to it, a whole different story. As I said before I thought they used a low frequency heavily shielded balast to minimize RF noise and apparantly they didn't although in that video the radio is up the ballasts ass. Still don't want that type of interference.

My husband has noted, with regard to equipment (he's a LAN/WAN specialist/electrical engineer and has been building out widespread wifi infrastructure locally), that generally, if something is made in the U.S. the buyer can be assured that there will be little, if any interference. He feels that anything of Chinese manufacture is suspect and prone to leaking, so to speak, and are fraught with problems.

I don't know where AN sourced the ballasts, but a couple of things come to *my* mind, and my age and sex are considerations in this--I wouldn't drop a single dime on something that calls itself "badass" unless the thing performed. If people are still experiencing interference, whatever the source (I was trying to cover my bases up there), then it seems, clearly, that more shielding is required.

Considering the numbers of reports I've read of almost all digis causing some sort of interference (can't recollect if I've read of Galaxy ballasts causing troubles), then I would suggest that manufacturers are cutting corners. Would you say that's a fair statement?

And, if you agree with that statement, would you agree that IF someone is still experiencing interference, that the unit that's causing it has insufficient shielding? Or are you saying it's something else that needs attention?

antimatter · Oct 26, 2010

Seamaiden said:
My husband has noted, with regard to equipment (he's a LAN/WAN specialist/electrical engineer and has been building out widespread wifi infrastructure locally), that generally, if something is made in the U.S. the buyer can be assured that there will be little, if any interference. He feels that anything of Chinese manufacture is suspect and prone to leaking, so to speak, and are fraught with problems.

I don't know where AN sourced the ballasts, but a couple of things come to *my* mind, and my age and sex are considerations in this--I wouldn't drop a single dime on something that calls itself "badass" unless the thing performed. If people are still experiencing interference, whatever the source (I was trying to cover my bases up there), then it seems, clearly, that more shielding is required.

Considering the numbers of reports I've read of almost all digis causing some sort of interference (can't recollect if I've read of Galaxy ballasts causing troubles), then I would suggest that manufacturers are cutting corners. Would you say that's a fair statement?

And, if you agree with that statement, would you agree that IF someone is still experiencing interference, that the unit that's causing it has insufficient shielding? Or are you saying it's something else that needs attention?

Its obvious to me that Advanced did have a custom metal box made for the ballasts but other than that same shit with a different metal box or im a monkeys uncle, China rules.

http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search...3&IndexArea=product_en&fsb=y&viewAllCategory=

motta-tokka · Oct 26, 2010

You said it. Repackaged unless they reinvented something which they seem to just be the leader in advertising gimmicks as far as I have seen so far.

Illmind · Oct 26, 2010

AN claims all ballast components are high end parts from japan. And to those ignoramouses japan has the highest quality electronics china has knock off poo poo, well it's ok but it's not as good as japans stuff. And they used a new kind of shielding for the RFI. It's probably all bs. Damn and here I was gonna come out of the stone age.

ebbensmoke · Oct 27, 2010

I wonder if that fancy box thats on their site is an rf shield? All the ones ive seen are in the lumatek style box. Does anyone know if that fancy looking one will be made? I heard the first ones will be lumatek and the next production run will be the cool looling ones. What are folks hearing?

antimatter · Oct 27, 2010

Illmind said:
AN claims all ballast components are high end parts from japan. And to those ignoramouses japan has the highest quality electronics china has knock off poo poo, well it's ok but it's not as good as japans stuff. And they used a new kind of shielding for the RFI. It's probably all bs. Damn and here I was gonna come out of the stone age.

When you google "Japan Digital Ballast" you don't get anything about grow light manufacturers in Japan other than Advanced Nutrients, plus if there was a company that was making grow ballasts in Japan they most likely would be on Alibaba. Maybe the Chinese manufacturer told Big Mike that they source the highest quality parts from Japan? lol

Quitters · Oct 29, 2010

Lumatek and C.A.P. digi ballast radio interference test

Quitters said:
Advanced Nutrients Digital Ballast Testing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDCX-weZhm0

Lumatek 1000W HPS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N1BaCKOn6I

NextGen 600W HPS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_lqAKfWGwY

Olyver · Oct 31, 2010

Had a customer come by with two of these socalled badass ballasts, they're crap. Both of them hummed. I remember when the Polarbear Manufacturing division of AN used to sell flips and panels, they were all crap as well.

aeroman · Nov 12, 2010

Okay, here's what I've been able to learn.

The confusion over the Baddass Ballasts is caused by them keeping the prototype ad up after the actual ads went to print. The way to tell the difference is the correct ads are for the "low frequency" ballasts.

Prototype Ad:

Correct Ad:

Looks like the whole Japanese thing was just in the planning stages, the new ad doesn't say anything about Japan.

For the record though, there's plenty of ballast builders in Japan. I don't think they build ballasts for grow lights, but then again everyone who does got started building them for something else (like cars, industrial lighting, etc).

The videos are misleading. That's pretty clear.

It doesn't show it for sure, but it looks like the ballast and the radio are plugged into the same outlet. That should be isolated if you want to really quantify how much interference the ballast puts out.

And you really ought to move them further and closer together to demonstrate the range of the interference. Practically anything pumping out power like that will create radio interference in a radio sitting less than a foot away. I mean c'mon, that's like shooting a watermelon from 6" away with blanks and concluding they're deadly. At that range almost anything would be.

Though if you REALLY want to be scientific you have to scan the output with actual scientific equipment (which a portable radio is NOT). Scan across all frequencies, record amplitude, the works.

I think Advanced Nutrients has something here. That square-wave output is a new thing for digital ballasts. More time spent at peak output should translate to more light from the same bulb.

Time will tell. I'd like to see someone (not AN or a shop owner that pays someone to build ballasts for him *cough*Lumatek*cough*) run a side-by-side light output test. Same bulb, hood, etc. Just plugged into different ballasts.

That should put the debate to rest.

ebbensmoke · Jan 9, 2011

it still shows that new case as coming soon in the new rosebud, and i had heard at one point the 1st production run would be the lumatek style case and after that itd be the neat looking one... ANYWAYS....

I was wondering if anyone has the inside scoop on the 600w? anyone have one or know when they will be out. im very interested and am trying to hold out of the 1k if i can get the 600w....

ebbensmoke · Jan 12, 2011

how bad is the humming? my lumateks hum a tiny bit and can only be heard if its super quiet in the room....

im guessing no one has heard anything on the 600s yet?

antimatter · Jan 12, 2011

Garden of Dreams said:
Its LOUD! Lumatek, Quantums you can hear a slight buzz, The BADASS Buzzing 10 times louder then anything. I dont even notice a Lumatek or Quantum, These are 100% noticeable.

Should of called it a Bumblebee.

BigCountry · Jan 12, 2011

So is the reflector connection a sun-system or a hydrofarm?

soaringfast · Jan 13, 2011

So when are they going to be selling these to the public?

swisscheese · Jan 13, 2011

Sounds like a overhyped product by advanced nutrients.

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