New Colorado law regarding pain meds ?

[Bubblehaze]

Today my wife went to her pain management specialist. At which time he informed her that she would have to make a decision on whether or not she wants her pain meds. (morphine 30's) or MMJ. He in formed her that under new Co. law she has to choose one or the other.

Does that mean they consider MMJ to be pain meds ?

With the cost of mmj from where we have to get it is more expensive than I can afford so the pain meds get her through when we are broke.

She is on many other meds the pain meds is the only conflict I guess.

She has been on multiply pain meds before its confusing me how they determine if you use one you don't need the other. She really needs both to have success with her pain, not at once but each one for different circumstances.

Can someone please enlighten me ?

When it seems to take years to get other laws amended. I am astonished that in the short time I have kept track of the laws they have changed more than I can possibly keep up with.

 

[HighCreek]

why not continue to get the pain meds and then just smoke when she needs it? you said the mmj cost alot by you? your not growing meds?

 

[420Gator]

hell yea just grow some bud for urself and let the wife blaze it

 

[altitudefarmer]

It's getting ridiculous. Will they force her to surrender her red card if she continues the pain meds? That's absurd if it's true...

 

[Bubblehaze]

why not continue to get the pain meds and then just smoke when she needs it? you said the mmj cost alot by you? your not growing meds?

They drug test and you cannot mask it because they check her med levels in it.
Even at 275 its expensive for me. I am used to paying 250 in a non med state for better stuff.
I am growing my own but its taking hella long to get meds from start.

hell yea just grow some bud for urself and let the wife blaze it

It's getting ridiculous. Will they force her to surrender her red card if she continues the pain meds? That's absurd if it's true...

They won't force her to give up her card. The PM doctor will just drop her as a patient. They made her sign a contract. She can go there and get her muscle relaxers and other meds while keeping her card and using mmj just no pain meds while using the mmj. Don't make sense to me..

 

[ganjherbsmoke]

ive heard of this
i dont believe it talk with the cannabis therapy institute
ask to see the paperwork on the law or be directed to it or id chose a different provider
i think its bullshit

 

[sky high]

Yo Bub....

I'm gonna guess that there isn't any "new law". I'm gonna guess they found out she is a MMJ patient (>illegal drug user< in their eyes, count on it) and they decided to force this decision on her to protect THEMSELVES. It has nothing to do with what is BEST for your wife. This is all about WHAT IS BEST FOR THE "PAIN MANAGEMENT DOCTOR" (A K A >>THE PUSHER<<).

I experienced the same thing with an asshole of a Pain doc here. I was upfront with him about my prior drug uses and my knowledge of drugs, but after 5 years of "care" (OK...addiction) I tried to get him to help me wean off the narcs and made the mistake of mentioning MMJ....and from there I found myself facing a drug test to detect MMJ if I wanted to GET MORE NARCOTICS.....which was >exactly< what i was trying to get away from in the first place. He was so programmed to write scripts he couldn't comprehend an other type of "care'.

dunno what yer wife will decide to do....but in my case, I think I fuckin blew his ass AWAY because we had really had it out one day in his office...then I came back in a few days later...to FIRE HIS ASS and tell him I was going cold turkey...but being the egotistical ass he is.... he thought I was coming in to BEG FOR MORE PILLS....and for an instant...he had this wicked smirk on his face...like he had WON some sort of self-made competition.....

that is....til I told him I wasn't going to let him kill me anymore with the Oxy's and told him to go fuck himself. A week later I was clean...haven't touched the pain meds since...I even swore off tylenol/etc cus they pumped me so full of it for about 10 years...

tough place to be....but MMJ is a THREAT to these "Pain Management" clowns...just as it is to the LEO clowns, so THEY call the shots and you simply have to go along with it if you wanna play that kind of game

best of luck

s h

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

Fuck the pusher bubblehaze! You might need to find a new PM doctor if that's the case. There's a decent percentage of docs with a god complex. Just find another doc and don't mention MMJ.

If you need any help getting up and running don't be afraid to holler!

 

[Smokey503ski]

Sounds like CO is getting more like Oregon every day. Here in Oregon if you go to a pain management place, they ask you if you have a medical marijuana card. If so, most likely you will have to choose either or.

No one gets FDA approval except pharmaceutical drugs. Not vitamins. Not supplements. Not MMJ.

No doctor or health practitioner gets the respect they deserve unless they are part of the drug-peddling culture. All other disciplines are simply slandered, openly and in the media.

Pharmaceutical drugs DON'T CURE DISEASES...they simply attempt to treat symptoms. Why? Because there is no cure? Are you serious? We have 15 ways to treat the symptoms, but no cure? Who really believes this?

If you are cured, you don't need pharmaceutical drugs any more, do you?

Follow the money.

60% of Americans now have pharmaceutical drugs in their medicine chest.

Follow the money.

Americans pay the highest prices on the planet for pharmaceutical drugs. Americans have the most disposable income.

Follow the money.

 

[Underground]

It says I need to spread more reputation before giving it to sky high again. Pharma pain killers have never ever helped me. Except, as I noticed, when I am on cannabis too. But that comes at a cost, it gives me a fuckin headache.

PS That shit never made me high or feel addicted either, thank God. It just doesn't do jack shit on it's own, mainly what it's made for. I'm sure if I took even more toxic doses it may, but at recommended dosing it's only useful for a minute poisoning.

 

[Bubblehaze]

Yo Bub....

I'm gonna guess that there isn't any "new law". I'm gonna guess they found out she is a MMJ patient (>illegal drug user< in their eyes, count on it) and they decided to force this decision on her to protect THEMSELVES. It has nothing to do with what is BEST for your wife. This is all about WHAT IS BEST FOR THE "PAIN MANAGEMENT DOCTOR" (A K A >>THE PUSHER<<).

I experienced the same thing with an asshole of a Pain doc here. I was upfront with him about my prior drug uses and my knowledge of drugs, but after 5 years of "care" (OK...addiction) I tried to get him to help me wean off the narcs and made the mistake of mentioning MMJ....and from there I found myself facing a drug test to detect MMJ if I wanted to GET MORE NARCOTICS.....which was >exactly< what i was trying to get away from in the first place. He was so programmed to write scripts he couldn't comprehend an other type of "care'.

dunno what yer wife will decide to do....but in my case, I think I fuckin blew his ass AWAY because we had really had it out one day in his office...then I came back in a few days later...to FIRE HIS ASS and tell him I was going cold turkey...but being the egotistical ass he is.... he thought I was coming in to BEG FOR MORE PILLS....and for an instant...he had this wicked smirk on his face...like he had WON some sort of self-made competition.....

that is....til I told him I wasn't going to let him kill me anymore with the Oxy's and told him to go fuck himself. A week later I was clean...haven't touched the pain meds since...I even swore off tylenol/etc cus they pumped me so full of it for about 10 years...

tough place to be....but MMJ is a THREAT to these "Pain Management" clowns...just as it is to the LEO clowns, so THEY call the shots and you simply have to go along with it if you wanna play that kind of game

best of luck

s h

I agree man.
The PM doctor is pro mmj he said he prescribed it right up until they started getting weird with the laws.
She was asking about her rec. licenses when the discussion came and the informed her she had a drug test today.
I am with you I think he is full of shit.
I was worried about trying to go to another doctor where I came from FL. If you do not get the results from the doctor you would like to see and you go to a different doctor for the same problem they call it "Doctor Shopping"( going from doctor to doctor until you get the results you like).
They are weird here they took her off her soma's as well and substituted with the most infective muscle relaxers available.
They aren't actually trying to pump her full of pills this MD has been trying to get her to weaker doses and less pills surprisingly.
In his quest he lost the main goal "killing my wifes pain".
Although I like his idealism its not gonna work she is already scheduled for another serious surgery. The other real big thing is how are we supposed to go visit out of state if she is on mmj only. We can't take it with us.

Thanks for all the input fellow farmers.

 

[sky high]

We are all wired differently, Bub...... but I found out a few things in my ordeal that blew me away and that I just couldn't see when I was chompin the pills...

When I was using it scared the shit out of me to think about enduring my daily pain levels without the narcos.

however....once i came off of 'em....not only was it like being REBORN....it was the first time in 5+ years I could TRULY GAUGE MY PAIN LEVEL. What i found was that my overall pain level dropped by about 1/2....and for me...it didn't take me too long to figure out that my ADDICTION was causing a lot of my >pain< and had me to the point that my tolerance of pain was almost nil. In pain? Take a pill. in pain? Take a pill. NOT in pain? Take a pill....'cus you HAVE TO...not cus ya need to for "pain". It's a vicious cycle that went nowhere for me.

The other thing I found out was that, in my body, the narcos were the BLOCK that kept me down and kept me from healing. Once I weaned I not only got a grip on my pain but I also found that I wasn't hurting myself time and time again because I was so numb from the heroi...'er...Oxy that I wasn't fully aware of my movements 100% of the time.

like I say...we are all different.... not trying to minimize your wife's pain whatsoever...but if she has been on these drugs for an extended period of time I would urge her to look at all of the parameters and possibly..just possibly....as I did....see the >glitch< at the doctor's office with MJ as a sign from above that >I< needed to grap the puppet strings back and learn to absorb and deal with the cards I was dealt rather than letting pain (some of which that really wasn't all there) govern my every move.

As far as travelling with MMJ...... if "edibles" work....buy a vacuum sealer and make chocolate chip cookies chocked full of goodness and take a bunch of those with you. We ate cookies on the plane to both Europe and Hawaii....and even though it isn't MY favorite way of ingesting cannabis it does take the edge off the want to smoke if you are in a place that isn't smoke-friendly/etc. TSA/no other LEO/etc. took ANY notice of a dozen cookies all sealed up for "freshness"...know what i'm sayin'?

anywayz...enuff of my ramblin' on and on...

best of luck to your wife in finding her own way...

s h

 

[Melizzard]

Bubblehaze, I've been told by people with pain issues that my PTO is the best pain med there is. I can neither confirm nor deny that, because pain hasn't really been an issue for me, thank GOD! But from folks I've had with fibro whose pain levels were an 8, I got results of taking their pain down to a 1.5 with the oil alone.

Since the wife can't smoke all the time, if she's interested in putting some of this oil in capsules, I'm willing to help! I have some oil here she can try ...

xoo

 

[Tripsick]

Well then you need to find a better doc. there are many that freak out over the dumbest things. Fuck those guys they are only in it for the money find a better one they are out there.

 

[Bud Spleefman]

The PTO works on Crohn's symptoms, I personally can vouch for that.. probably works for any stomach/intestinals, as a topical anti-inflamatory..... great stuff.

I think you need to have two docs, unfortuantely, one for the pain meds, and one for the mmj....... my regular docs (Kaiser) don't want to hear about the PTO.... just "How are my symptoms, do you need any meds we have..." they aren't even allowed to reccomend MMJ if they wanted to, somewhere there's some douche in a suit who decides what Kaiser Docs can prescribe, and coincidentally, they are the same meds Kaiser sells!

 

[Green Mopho]

Yea, I'm sure the insurance companies aren't happy about all this MMJ. My neighbor that smokes with us all the time still doesn't have her card, because her health insurance automatically drops anyone in Colorado who comes up on the patient registry and she can't afford to loose her insurance. Pretty fucked up....

 

[TyKaycha]

... because her health insurance automatically drops anyone in Colorado who comes up on the patient registry and she can't afford to lose her insurance....

And how exactly does the insurance company have access to the registry?

 

[Green Mopho]

And how exactly does the insurance company have access to the registry?

I don't think they do, but they have warned people and put it as a clause on their policy, so if anything comes up. Seems like your PCP doctor would be the first one to rat you out to your insurance company!

 

[Bubblehaze]

The insurance companies drug test you if you make a claim. If you are positive for illegal drugs they can refuse to pay. From my understanding.

 

[Rednick]

I don't think they do, but they have warned people and put it as a clause on their policy, so if anything comes up. Seems like your PCP doctor would be the first one to rat you out to your insurance company!

Anthem asks you when registering and if you mark 'yes' you cannot be accepted...as it is classifed as 'smoker' preexistng condition.

I figured Obamacare wouldn't do much,
So I am just sticking to the Bush plan
"Don't Get Sick"