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New Simplified Way to Water​


lol
 
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New Simplified Way to Water​


lol
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Yeah, I know. But hey, once it's in... Go on vacation.
 
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Yeah, I know. But hey, once it's in... Go on vacation.
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Just busting some....
 
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So, yeah. A small plastic bit gets buried in the soil with one sensor in it.
A set of wires comes up to a plug into the sensor net. It could even be USB. That makes it easy to graphically assign it as well.
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this is what im using now... https://www.vegetronix.com/Products/VH400/


from the perspective of a small home grower the cost to buy a sensor for each plant might get prohibitive as well as a commercial grower especially when you are talking hundreds if not thousand of plants...
 
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SmartThings? Not familliar with those... Do you have a link?
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i moved away from smart plugs that are off the shelf becuase they require internet, which is not to say they dont work they just leave room for error
 
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Prob the simplest would be cheap solenoids controlled off the signal of the sensor? Lemme see what I can dig up.

Running AC or DC?
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You'd still have to have the timer linked to the pump no? Otherwise the pump is on 24/7 pumping into a closed system for most of that. Not ideal for most pumps. Unless I've misunderstood what you're saying
 
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this is what im using now... https://www.vegetronix.com/Products/VH400/


from the perspective of a small home grower the cost to buy a sensor for each plant might get prohibitive as well as a commercial grower especially when you are talking hundreds if not thousand of plants...
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Whoa...'spensive. I was thinking of a couple of single point sensors like the end of this:
 

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Whoa...'spensive. I was thinking of a couple of single point sensors like the end of this:
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yea those probes still require someone to physically look at them
 
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You'd still have to have the timer linked to the pump no? Otherwise the pump is on 24/7 pumping into a closed system for most of that. Not ideal for most pumps. Unless I've misunderstood what you're saying
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you would want a probe or some sort of controller that is in a Normally Closed or Normally Off state... but yes it could be troublesome and definitely want a watchdog circuit
 
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i moved away from smart plugs that are off the shelf becuase they require internet, which is not to say they dont work they just leave room for error
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Yeah, lets keep this offline. The app can do downloads if needed...
 
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yea those probes still require someone to physically look at them
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Um... Nope. Remove the meter itself. It's the water version of a thermocouple, no batteries needed. No analog meter needed. Pull the top off and wire the probe into a USB plug.
 
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With regards to the ideal spray, it's tricky with low pressure aquarium pumps. As an irrigation man I know the fittings that are ideal for this application, but the need 200psi to operate properly so no good.

I've designed an alternative to the hydro halo which I'm having made up by a local metal worker. I'm designing it to fit a 3-gal fabric pot which I'll be using on my next grow, but is obviously scalable.

It will have 3 or 4 legs like a hydro haloes with the holes on the bottom to fit these. Essentially imagine a round metal tray with a tall lip around the edge, with a cut out line where you scan slide it around the plant. Has a 1/2" irrigation fitting embedded in the lip. Many many tiny holes drilled all across the area. Water flows into the tray, and dribbles through the hole like true rainfall. No channels through the coir creating hydrophobic spots, no need for expensive pumps and equipment to get the necessary pressure for sprays.

Will post photos when they're made up but hopefully you can imagine it from my description haha
 
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With regards to the ideal spray, it's tricky with low pressure aquarium pumps. As an irrigation man I know the fittings that are ideal for this application, but the need 200psi to operate properly so no good.

I've designed an alternative to the hydro halo which I'm having made up by a local metal worker. I'm designing it to fit a 3-gal fabric pot which I'll be using on my next grow, but is obviously scalable.

It will have 3 or 4 legs like a hydro haloes with the holes on the bottom to fit these. Essentially imagine a round metal tray with a tall lip around the edge, with a cut out line where you scan slide it around the plant. Has a 1/2" irrigation fitting embedded in the lip. Many many tiny holes drilled all across the area. Water flows into the tray, and dribbles through the hole like true rainfall. No channels through the coir creating hydrophobic spots, no need for expensive pumps and equipment to get the necessary pressure for sprays.

Will post photos when they're made up but hopefully you can imagine it from my description haha
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I don't see it in my head (yet) but I'm happy to hear you are already working on a better spray design. This is how it's done folks. Everyone tossing in their own skills and expertise to build something new that benefits us all.
 
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With regards to the ideal spray, it's tricky with low pressure aquarium pumps. As an irrigation man I know the fittings that are ideal for this application, but the need 200psi to operate properly so no good.

I've designed an alternative to the hydro halo which I'm having made up by a local metal worker. I'm designing it to fit a 3-gal fabric pot which I'll be using on my next grow, but is obviously scalable.

It will have 3 or 4 legs like a hydro haloes with the holes on the bottom to fit these. Essentially imagine a round metal tray with a tall lip around the edge, with a cut out line where you scan slide it around the plant. Has a 1/2" irrigation fitting embedded in the lip. Many many tiny holes drilled all across the area. Water flows into the tray, and dribbles through the hole like true rainfall. No channels through the coir creating hydrophobic spots, no need for expensive pumps and equipment to get the necessary pressure for sprays.

Will post photos when they're made up but hopefully you can imagine it from my description haha
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I've also requested prices from an injection moulder as well. If it's viable I will start selling them to my local grow shops. I can't be the only one out there frustrated by the lack of genuine options for actual even coverage when running a low pressure system. Hydro halos are good but to get good coverage across four large pots I need to crank the flow which creates holes and exposes roots, and still only waters one ring around the pot.
 
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Nectarivorous said:
With regards to the ideal spray, it's tricky with low pressure aquarium pumps. As an irrigation man I know the fittings that are ideal for this application, but the need 200psi to operate properly so no good.

I've designed an alternative to the hydro halo which I'm having made up by a local metal worker. I'm designing it to fit a 3-gal fabric pot which I'll be using on my next grow, but is obviously scalable.

It will have 3 or 4 legs like a hydro haloes with the holes on the bottom to fit these. Essentially imagine a round metal tray with a tall lip around the edge, with a cut out line where you scan slide it around the plant. Has a 1/2" irrigation fitting embedded in the lip. Many many tiny holes drilled all across the area. Water flows into the tray, and dribbles through the hole like true rainfall. No channels through the coir creating hydrophobic spots, no need for expensive pumps and equipment to get the necessary pressure for sprays.

Will post photos when they're made up but hopefully you can imagine it from my description haha
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i would love to see these, i have considered doing something similar on a 3d printer
 
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Um... Nope. Remove the meter itself. It's the water version of a thermocouple, no batteries needed. No analog meter needed. Pull the top off and wire the probe into a USB plug.
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if it puts out a voltage range it could be adapted to arduino... do you have a link to your specific model
 
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I don't see it in my head (yet) but I'm happy to hear you are already working on a better spray design. This is how it's done folks. Everyone tossing in their own skills and expertise to build something new that benefits us all.
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Hopefully this terrible drawing helps? 3-gal pot, stakes go in, tray sits on those. Water feeds straight into the tray where it pools and 'rains' through the perforations in the bottom.
 

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I don't see it in my head (yet) but I'm happy to hear you are already working on a better spray design. This is how it's done folks. Everyone tossing in their own skills and expertise to build something new that benefits us all.
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also early on you said sprayer, what type of sprayer are you talking about
 
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Hopefully this terrible drawing helps? 3-gal pot, stakes go in, tray sits on those. Water feeds straight into the tray where it pools and 'rains' through the perforations in the bottom.
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love the rain idea
 
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if it puts out a voltage range it could be adapted to arduino... do you have a link to your specific model
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Try this one;
Amazon.com
 
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