I train, I dont ever top them. I bend them till they think theyre broken and they pound out the tops. Im nutes are home made hillbilly shit but im running them at 900ppm on my veg blend. Ill do another 2 or 3 weeks work with them on 18 hours then they get the flip and some guanno mixed with mollasses. for the in depth on my ferts hit my other grow linked on my signature. All the details are there and havent changed.