Nitrogen Flush / Sealer for Nug Storage

Purpz · Jul 17, 2014

Cool, will read up on them. Thanks.

monkeymun · Jul 17, 2014

Purpz said:
My biggest problem with honey oil is it's really hard to handle...like once its dried its stuck to whatever you've put it in. If you've got it on a plate it pretty much becomes one with the plate. It is easy to get into little glass vials?

You can just resolubilize with a small amount of any solvent, like ether, and then let dry. Ether will evaporate at room temp quite quickly.

durian · Jul 17, 2014

yea have seen more and more of this. here’s a link i found in my travels..

derelict · Jul 17, 2014

the best time to harvest, for purposes of high thc to weight ratio content is when the majority of the trichs are milky white. if i was to do this i’d be chopping at week 4 and lose probably 75% of my harvest, so it’s not worth it. but……there are numerous ways to separate delta9 from other cannabinoids if you look online and have a bit of chem-savvy know-how.

NagaKing · Jul 17, 2014

For my persy and favorite strains, as soon as the nugz are dry I use a press to squash them into a solid block and stick them in the freezer...
This squeezes out all the air and you’d be surprised how small 4oz looks likes this.. it’s actually quite demoralising to look at.. LOL
When I need I just shave of a small sliver with a razor.
It’s simple and effective and definitely stops resin from breaking down.
Admittedly, not an effective commercial solution..

Captain Canna · Jul 17, 2014

i thought flvor should improve over time because of the curing process? aren't you stopping the curing process by doing this?

-cc

NagaKing · Jul 17, 2014

I don’t know about flavor, maybe..
But I know for a fact my nugz are strongest from the moment after harvest.
After a few weeks in the bag the strength of the high has greatly diminished and the high is different also. less buzzed, more Xbox-locked..

Rosenberg · Jul 17, 2014

infocus said:
N is more inert.. :bookworm:

Really? I don't see how N is more inert. How is CO2 anymore reactive than N in this situation?

Grow Up · Jul 18, 2014

Definitely think hash is the best way to store. I’ve had 2yo bubble knock me flat when I thought it would’ve been totally stale.

neverbreak · Jul 18, 2014

thc decay is exacerbated by heat light n oxygen. thc in its purest form is a very light translucent oil (actually its technically not an oil, but let just say it has properties akin to). any color variation of this is likely a complex of oxidized cannabinoids. btw many substances will go dark when oxidized, this is caused by change conformational structure like the formation of a double bond and subsequent absorption of light. dark hash is either impure (has bits of leaf n crap in it) or is highly oxidized. yellow, cream or red translucent hash will always yield a higher ratio thc. both hash and buds will lose their cbd and thc content over time, resultin in an increase of cbn. but there is tentative evidence that an endogenous enzyme called cbd-cyclase converts some cbd into thc durin storage, so its not all bad news. :)

neverbreak

infocus · Jul 18, 2014

Rosenberg said:
Really? I don't see how N is more inert. How is CO2 anymore reactive than N in this situation?

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but with a triple bond i do know that N is incredibly stable.

monkeymun · Jul 19, 2014

The ratios of cannabinoids during the flowering phase change over time. During early trichome development the most prevalent cannabinoid is CBG and trans-CBG. This is a parent compound, that depending on strain, conditions etc, will be converted into either CBC, CBD or THC. Light and O2 convert CBC and THC into their stable forms, CBL and CBN, respectively and CBD is oxidised to CBA. delta-9 THC can also be converted into delta-8 THC by free radicals or OH-intermediates. The plant makes these compounds to mitigate the effect of ROS (reactive oxygen species), which is a defence mechanism. H2O2 is made during the conversion of CBG into THC and these cytotoxic chemicals are subsequently stored outside the plant, away from its tissues and in the face of munching herbivores, in special structures; stalked glandular trichomes. For the biological reasons of it’s synthesis, it’s easy to see why THC is only a short lived molecule, i.e. retarding the conversion of THC into CBN confers no biological advantage to the plant. THC is simply a by-product of a cannabis plant’s chemical weapons factory.

Allowing flowers to air ‘cure’ is an old-school myth and contradicts what is understood about the relevant biochemistry. As popularly is purported “..during curing chlorophyll will breakdown”. Yes, but chlorophyll breakdown (in case anyone is interested, an enzyme called pheophorbide a oxygenase usually robs the chlorine ring of the Mg ion, hence the color change) is a good indicator that a myriad other breakdown cascades have taken place including inside the trichomes also, i.e. these processes are not only confined to the chloroplasts, or any other region of the plant. So allowing the plant to slowly cure, esp near light or O2, is counter productive. And keeping buds in glass jars affords limited efficacy. Nitrogen storage, if done properly makes a lot of sense, if done immediately post harvest, however there are better alternatives. For the purposes of insanely high THC yield, high grade medical cannabis should be harvested 1-3 weeks early and immediately freeze dried.

trunx · Jul 20, 2014

damn bro, that’s a lot to digest. if i can just ask, you know this all how?

Gandalfalfa · Jul 20, 2014

grayarea said:
that place is like my version of silk road ....

LOL :D

Prince Blanc · Jul 21, 2014

Great thread, keep the discussion happening. I'm holding out on a price drop for a nitrogen sealer. Surely they'll come down in price at some point?

Rosenberg · Jul 21, 2014

infocus said:
I'm not claiming to be an expert, but with a triple bond i do know that N is incredibly stable.

I'm talking about this situation. I don't see why CO2 would be any more reactive but N. Perhaps I'm missing something though if all the pros are using N...

henry · Jul 23, 2014

monkeymun said:
Yes, that's exactly what I am saying.

THC is oxidized into CBN (cannabinol) which doesn’t give you a cerebral high.

Right...i think I've heard something like that before. must be why bud gets shit over time too then huh.

monkeymun · Jul 27, 2014

If by shit, you mean the high changes and potency decreases, then yes.

monkeymun · Jul 27, 2014

trunx said:
damn bro, that’s a lot to digest. if i can just ask, you know this all how?

Haha, yes you can ask…questions are free aren’t they? Have background in the field and as a med patient, have vested interest in keeping myself informed. I don’t subscribe to the hype, just the facts.

Medusa · Jul 27, 2014

So hanging it to dry is not a good idea either. Oxygen And so much for. Popping the jars everyday.

Nitrogen Flush / Sealer for Nug Storage

Nitrogen Flush / Sealer for Nug Storage

Purpz

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durian

derelict

NagaKing

Captain Canna

NagaKing

Rosenberg

Grow Up

neverbreak

infocus

monkeymun

trunx

Gandalfalfa

Prince Blanc

Rosenberg

henry

monkeymun

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Medusa

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