No more Hammerhead MOAB combo

Confuten1 · Jan 5, 2014

I'm jus wondering what folks are using to replace the hammerhead in this combo since they don't make it anymore.
@greenthumbdanny

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oscar169 · Jan 5, 2014

Confuten1 said:
I'm jus wondering what folks are using to replace the hammerhead in this combo since they don't make it anymore.
@greenthumbdanny

Confu

I'm waiting on my bag of MAP to arrive, suppose to be here this week, I'll be using Heavy 16 Fire with the Homemade MOAB,

powerplant · Jan 5, 2014

When did they quit making Hammerhead? I have been using a Soul Synthetics Big Swell/MOAB combo myself.

devilrays · Jan 5, 2014

I was wondering the same thing. I have about a half a bottle left...

Confuten1 · Jan 6, 2014

powerplant said:
When did they quit making Hammerhead? I have been using a Soul Synthetics Big Swell/MOAB combo myself.

I remember reading something about this a while ago and my hydro store guy also told me about a month ago.
I'm wondering what product is a good replacement. I'd love to hear frm so
Rome that has used HH/MOAB and now switched to something else.

Confu

EveryOneSmokes · Jan 7, 2014

Fire/Moab does the job or the mkp/map instead of the Moab..

Confuten1 · Jan 7, 2014

I've been leaning to fire/moab jus still on the fence

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oscar169 · Jan 7, 2014

Confuten1 said:
I've been leaning to fire/moab jus still on the fence

confu

I can tell ya this, I have been using the Fire for over a year now, by itself the stuff rocks, can't wait to try it with the (Farmer MOAB) hehehe the homemade...:p

Confuten1 · Jan 7, 2014

oscar169 said:
I can tell ya this, I have been using the Fire for over a year now, by itself the stuff rocks, can't wait to try it with the (Farmer MOAB) hehehe the homemade...:p

thanks man, i think ill give it a whirl. Ive been wanting to play with salts like map, but I've seen ppl make to many mistakes on the learning curve. also, with that farmer Map imitation MOAb, i know the numbers r similar NPK, but i honestly think MOAB might have something in it not on the label, the swell it gives seems like no other and I've tried a few with similar npk.

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powerplant · Jan 7, 2014

@Confuten1 I used HH/MOAB combo for about 3 yrs, 2+ easy a 1000w (over a gram a watt). Made the switch to Big Swell/MOAB combo same results only better quality, flavor and smell. IMO you can use MOAB with any quality bloom stimulator and see good results. The Magic is in the MOAB what that is who knows?

CelticEBE · Jan 7, 2014

I've used Hammerhead/MOAB, FIRE/MOAB, and a while back I used Shark Attack/MOAB. The shark attack is cheap and the results are just like Hammerhead. Fire seemed to lend more towards a better qualtiy bud in the end though. Please note that Oscar and I are running different formulations of Fire. He still has the old formula, and I'm a wee bit jealous because I think it was better than the new one.

Also like Oscar....I will be making my own MOAB here soon as I just ordered 40lbs of MKP and 4lbs of MAP for a little more than what you would pay for 5lbs of MOAB. It's amazing how much they mark this shit up.

edit: Almost forgot......shark attack is a powder formulation from Greenleaf Nutrients.

http://greenleafnutrients.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=11

powerplant · Jan 7, 2014

Shit im still working off a kilo of MOAB I collected from the last 2 grow expos lol. I won't buying that shit anytime soon, the mark up is crazy.

sixstring · Jan 7, 2014

I picked up a container of Moab at the grow store to read what all the fuss is about and said huh .gotta be something they don't list on the ingredients.

southstreets · Jan 7, 2014

Yea I got bags apon bags apon bags of Moab.. Was bummed when I saw hammerhead was discontinued but imma give fire/Moab combo a try

southstreets · Jan 7, 2014

EveryOneSmokes said:
Fire/Moab does the job or the mkp/map instead of the Moab..

What rate did u use the fire at EOS?

Bangarang · Jan 8, 2014

What is a bloom stimulator? What makes it different than your normal PK boost?
Also i have read through this but want to exercise caution; I run my base (GH Micro & Bloom) at 50% and then mix 1ml a gallon of moab and ??? ml Fire. Is this a safe starting point and then with every watering ramp up my base a little bit. Or just hold on and ride it out at that ratio?

sealed138 · Jan 8, 2014

I've used the hh/Moab for the past couple years and looking for the same replacement. I went back to the fox farms tri-pack for this run, but think ill try the fire/ Moab next run.

powerplant · Jan 8, 2014

Bangarang said:
What is a bloom stimulator? What makes it different than your normal PK boost?
Also i have read through this but want to exercise caution; I run my base (GH Micro & Bloom) at 50% and then mix 1ml a gallon of moab and ??? ml Fire. Is this a safe starting point and then with every watering ramp up my base a little bit. Or just hold on and ride it out at that ratio?

Bloom Stimulators stimulate the initial earlier flowering phase (Weeks 2-6,7) used as building blocks for higher sugar content, resin, weight and better quality over all.

PK boosters are use as a bulking/Ripening agents or in MOAB case "Bloom Enhancer/Ripening agent" later in flower (Weeks 5-7) use to bulk up the end harvest weight, give buds more size, smell, density over all bloom enhancement.

Read the plant only up the base if you observe rapid premature yellowing. Don't over compensate with base either just try to nail it next run.

Bangarang · Jan 8, 2014

Ok in the past i have had yellowing occur. I kicked back off the moab and ran the base at 1/2 strength but they didnt seem to respond well. If i am not mistaken you are saying to increase the base slowly to try and keep it green?

powerplant · Jan 8, 2014

Yes slowly, but from my experience the plant will continue to fade some anyway. One of the reasons I said don't press the issue unless it's rapidly fading way early, IMO during late flowering an early fade won't hurt. Dial her in next round and kiss the early fade goodbye!

No more Hammerhead MOAB combo

No more Hammerhead MOAB combo

Confuten1

exploitin strengths - perfectin weaknessess

oscar169

Farming 🌱

powerplant

devilrays

Confuten1

exploitin strengths - perfectin weaknessess

EveryOneSmokes

Confuten1

exploitin strengths - perfectin weaknessess

oscar169

Farming 🌱

Confuten1

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powerplant

CelticEBE

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sixstring

southstreets

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Bangarang

sealed138

First Starfighter

powerplant

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No more Hammerhead MOAB combo

No more Hammerhead MOAB combo

Confuten1

exploitin strengths - perfectin weaknessess

oscar169

Farming 🌱

powerplant

devilrays

Confuten1

exploitin strengths - perfectin weaknessess

EveryOneSmokes

Confuten1

exploitin strengths - perfectin weaknessess

oscar169

Farming 🌱

Confuten1

exploitin strengths - perfectin weaknessess

powerplant

CelticEBE

powerplant

sixstring

southstreets

southstreets

Bangarang

sealed138

First Starfighter

powerplant

Bangarang

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