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euphoria526 · Aug 15, 2020

Beachwalker said:
Yeah but I don't think I'm being clear you need to flush the living piss out of your soil;

if you have 3 gallon pots you need to put 9 gallons of pH 6.5 water through each one if you want to possibly save those plants

And that's just for starters; after that The Next Step would be talking about your feeding and watering practices

After you do a heavy flush tag me in and I'll tell you what I would do next to correct and eliminate your issues, good luck!

Edit: Btw I knew you didn't have a PPM meter, that's why I asked; ppm's a big part of your problem

they are in 2 gal pots, I have been watering every couple days or so, I pick the pot up and check the weight.
I haven't fed in a long while, as im using ffof mixed with happy frog. last time I fed they got got burned so I slayed off. been about a month give or the so far. I top fed with roots organic temp tea grow. half the recommended dose.
when I water I have been getting the surface area moist with a sprayer so it doesn't pool up on top.
then give about a gallon, 16 oz at a time, from a cup, by hand. one cup to one plant, then one cup to the other and alternate till i'm out of water. since ive been using a humidifier to up the vpd, they have needed watering less frequent. used to be every other day, then it was every 3-4 days. im around 2-4 days depending on the weight of the pots

@chemist, I think they might have shown pre flowers? they have been on an 18/t6 schedule since ive had them. clones

euphoria526 · Aug 15, 2020

@Beachwalker how much do I flush? I know its dumb, but im just worried about over watering, push 6 gallons @6.0 ph then let dry out completely?

Beachwalker · Aug 16, 2020

euphoria526 said:
@Beachwalker how much do I flush? I know its dumb, but im just worried about over watering, push 6 gallons @6.0 ph then let dry out completely?

I've answered both your question regarding flush volume and pH in my last post.

Your issue is not complicated, it's a typical beginner's mistake and I will help you, but you at least have to pretend that you're reading what I say first

After you figure out those two answers to your own questions tag me back in and I'll be back to help you before your plants have dried from the heavy flush you should have given them already, best wishes

Edit: okay coffee kicked in and I noticed you got the 3x pot volume for flushing, that's good, but you missed the pH, you don't want to use that low of a pH ever in soil, (low soil ph is a big part of your problem) use 6.5 always in soil, and spend ten bucks and get a PPM meter, I use mine 10 to 1 over a pH meter

euphoria526 · Aug 16, 2020

Beachwalker said:
I've answered both your question regarding flush volume and pH in my last post.

Your issue is not complicated, it's a typical beginner's mistake and I will help you, but you at least have to pretend that you're reading what I say first

After you figure out those two answers to your own questions tag me back in and I'll be back to help you before your plants have dried from the heavy flush you should have given them already, best wishes

Edit: okay coffee kicked in and I noticed you got the 3x pot volume for flushing, that's good, but you missed the pH, you don't want to use that low of a pH ever in soil, (low soil ph is a big part of your problem) use 6.5 always in soil, and spend ten bucks and get a PPM meter, I use mine 10 to 1 over a pH meter

@Beachwalker ok, so because of how I have my setup it’s going to be done in batches of 2 gallons, per plant (I have 2 1g jugs I use for my ladies) switching off each plant so there’s time for the excess runoff to finish draining+ collecting any runoff I get to test for numbers.
so far the first gallon through the purple wookies (I have to empty out tray after each gal, might as well test.)
Runoff ph is 6.6 and are at Ppm’s are at 603, with starting tap @ 221ppm’s

Beachwalker · Aug 16, 2020

Those are like my numbers those are perfect; so why does your plant look like that?

So while I was re-reading your thread I saw my earlier post and I think this is still your problem..

Beachwalker said:
What's the PPM of your runoff

Edit: was glancing through your thread when I saw you update; my first impression was a lockout causing a potassium deficiency

That's also what I see above, you haven't flushed it out well enough and/or changed your watering practice, so if you describe how you're feeding and watering it might help

"you haven't flushed it out well enough and/or changed your watering practice"

After seeing your runoff numbers more than ever unless I'm missing something I believe this to be true

recommend every third time you water, whether it's with nutrients or just water, use twice the normal volume that you water with

eg. I often feed nutes twice in a row, and third watering time I'll flush twice the normal volume of plain pH water through the plant

This way you're continually flushing out on a regular basis; Check and record the runoff ppm and pH numbers for reference, good luck!

euphoria526 · Aug 16, 2020

@BeachwalkerThe other plant, the WiFi is more suspect with
6.6-6.8 ph and 891 ppm first gal through and second was 6.8 and 465 ppm.
mid I didn’t say it my starting tap ppm is 221. I’m not sure how to implement the feed feed water system with top dressing nutrients. I feel dumb about this lol.
mill give you the rest of the numbers after I finish the rest of the watering.
would you suggest doing a top fed on the final 6th gal of the flush?

Beachwalker · Aug 16, 2020

I think I see what's wrong with your plant I think it's what you're feeding it;

I don't think it's a matter of flushing it more now that you've put those numbers up, I'm pretty sure you're not feeding it in the right ratio

While I do recommend routine flushing like I mentioned above I think your problem is in what you're feeding

I don't have any idea what to tell you about that except it's obviously not working as is

maybe somebody with some experience with feeding those products in that manner can help more than I, best wishes

euphoria526 · Aug 16, 2020

Beachwalker said:
I think I see what's wrong with your plant I think it's what you're feeding it I don't think it's a matter of flushing it at all now that you've put those numbers up I retract what I said above I'm pretty sure you're not feeding it in the right ratiolo

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I haven’t given them anything except maybe a little calmag a month apart. Otherwise I haven’t given them anything else except recharge since 7/7/20
Then it got 2ml silica 2ml calmag
1tsp recharge and 1.25 tsp terp tea, top dressed. I’ve already put 3 gallons through each. Should I stop the flush then and do a final top feed with 1 gal each then at 6.5ph? I’ve been responding in the middle of flushing this morning :/

Beachwalker · Aug 16, 2020

Also I don't think this is best practice either..

I don't mean this in a negative way because you're obviously doing a lot right but there's still a few things I think you should read up on because a few of the things you're doing are keeping you from achieving optimum results

Couple quick questions; are you trying to grow organically? and are you married to the nutrient product you're using?

euphoria526 · Aug 16, 2020

Beachwalker said:
Also I don't think this is best practice either..

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I don't mean this in a negative way because you're obviously doing a lot right but there's still a few things I think you should read up on because a few of the things you're doing are keeping you from achieving optimum results

Couple quick questions; are you trying to grow organically? and are you married to the nutrient product you're using?

I’m honestly just trying to grow with what I have and not buy more. These clones were given to me when I was trying to grow coco, so I had to buy some soil, then nutes for that soil and the terp teas were recommended by a buddy who has gotten good results with them.
I’m not married to it, i would just rather not buy more products right now. I still have a bunch of jacks 321 I’m waiting to use in coco when the soil is done. Unless I find a good method with soil and these terp teas.
also, pardon my ignorance, but which part about the watering practices? There was a lot circled there. Is it the not feeding enough? Or the spraying of the top part of the soil?
When I water, I typically make 1 gal out in a jug, then alternate 16oz by hand in a red cup each plant, till runoff, so it has time to distribute in the soil.

euphoria526 · Aug 16, 2020

And just putting the numbers out there:
Starting tap: 7.5 ph/ 221ppms

Wifi1st gal- 6.6 ph/891ppm
2nd gal- 6.8ph/465ppm
3rd gal 6.7-6.8/ 299ppms

pookies-6.6ph/603ppm
2nd gal-6.6/394ppm
3rd gal-6.6ph/294.
Since both plants are about the same at the moment, should I too dress the feed and do a 4th gal for each to feed?

Beachwalker · Aug 16, 2020

euphoria526 said:
I’m honestly just trying to grow with what I have and not buy more. These clones were given to me when I was trying to grow coco, so I had to buy some soil, then nutes for that soil and the terp teas were recommended by a buddy who has gotten good results with them.
I’m not married to it, i would just rather not buy more products right now. I still have a bunch of jacks 321 I’m waiting to use in coco when the soil is done. Unless I find a good method with soil and these terp teas.
also, pardon my ignorance, but which part about the watering practices? There was a lot circled there. Is it the not feeding enough? Or the spraying of the top part of the soil?
When I water, I typically make 1 gal out in a jug, then alternate 16oz by hand in a red cup each plant, till runoff, so it has time to distribute in the soil.

Jack's is good stuff! I use Master Blend which is pretty much the same thing, I think it'll work better for you

Routine flushing is good but you're flushing runoff numbers suggest that it's what you're feeding that's not working

Plus the way you're applying it is a little unorthodox to me at least, I feed my plants on a regular basis so I got nothing else to offer my friend, I wish you luck

euphoria526 · Aug 16, 2020

Beachwalker said:
Jack's is good stuff! I use Master Blend which is pretty much the same thing, I think it'll work better for you

Routine flushing is good but you're flushing runoff numbers show me that it's what you're feeding that's not working

Oh man, Jacks In soil is a whole nother ballgame in my eyes. I could barely get seedlings to grow in coco lol
Could it also be the possibility that I was cramming too much into single feedings? In 1 gal I had silica, cal mag, and I poured it over the top feed. I haven’t fed them in ages based off of the frog/hf mix, so aside from the ph, think the just need some nutrients?
Soil is at bare minimum Ppm’s right now so I feel like I NEED to give them
Something.
Also before I forget, THANK YOU so much for helping me with this.

Beachwalker · Aug 16, 2020

euphoria526 said:
Oh man, Jacks In soil is a whole nother ballgame in my eyes. I could barely get seedlings to grow in coco lol
Could it also be the possibility that I was cramming too much into single feedings? In 1 gal I had silica, cal mag, and I poured it over the top feed. I haven’t fed them in ages based off of the frog/hf mix, so aside from the ph, think the just need some nutrients?
Soil is at bare minimum Ppm’s right now so I feel like I NEED to give them
Something.

I feed my plants twice in a row and then I flush; honestly I don't know what you're trying to do that's what I'm trying to say

You say you haven't fed for months or top feed & this and that.. you're all over the place friend

I recommend you get on a routine feeding schedule that works and stick to it because I don't know what you trying to do now and I don't mean that in a bad way, I've tried to figure it out this whole thread but I still don't get what you're trying to do

Some websites I recommend are ilgm.com, growweedeasy.com Royal Queen seeds.Com great info and instructions!

euphoria526 · Aug 16, 2020

Beachwalker said:
I feed my plants twice in a row and then I flush; honestly I don't know what you're trying to do that's what I'm trying to say

You say you haven't fed for months or top feed & this and that.. you're all over the place friend

I recommend you get on a routine feeding schedule that works and stick to it because I don't know what you trying to do now and I don't mean that in a bad way, I've tried to figure it out this whole thread but I still don't get what you're trying to do

Some websites I recommend are ilgm.com, growweedeasy.com Royal Queen seeds.Com great info and instructions!

Well I guess I haven’t been very clear on that then!
I just want to make these ladies healthier so I can flip and flower. I have one tent that will be used for everything, growing drying curing. The whole thing started with a mild nute burn that I thought I had under control and it spun way out of control. That mixed with a lot of heat, I’m at a point where I just want them healthy to flower and not worry anymore. The exact reason in not feeding for so long is based off of the Hot -ish soil, I was attempting to have the plants take all the nutrients out of the soil before I started feeding any additional nutrients.
the goal is to make them healthy enough to flower worry free

BurnzYzBudZz · Aug 16, 2020

euphoria526 said:
Well I guess I haven’t been very clear on that then!
I just want to make these ladies healthier so I can flip and flower. I have one tent that will be used for everything, growing drying curing. The whole thing started with a mild nute burn that I thought I had under control and it spun way out of control. That mixed with a lot of heat, I’m at a point where I just want them healthy to flower and not worry anymore. The exact reason in not feeding for so long is based off of the Hot -ish soil, I was attempting to have the plants take all the nutrients out of the soil before I started feeding any additional nutrients.
the goal is to make them healthy enough to flower worry free

If I were you, I’d stick to soil and get that down before switching to coco. Coco is a whole different animal. I use dyna gro nutrients and they’ve been easy to get dialed in. Hope you resolve the issue. For now, go take a toke and relax, let the plants do their thing. Give them their space and check on em later.
burnz

Beachwalker · Aug 16, 2020

euphoria526 said:
Well I guess I haven’t been very clear on that then!
I just want to make these ladies healthier so I can flip and flower. I have one tent that will be used for everything, growing drying curing. The whole thing started with a mild nute burn that I thought I had under control and it spun way out of control. That mixed with a lot of heat, I’m at a point where I just want them healthy to flower and not worry anymore. The exact reason in not feeding for so long is based off of the Hot -ish soil, I was attempting to have the plants take all the nutrients out of the soil before I started feeding any additional nutrients.
the goal is to make them healthy enough to flower worry free

foxfarm is not hot soil that's hippie myth; it's only hot when you start pouring other newts in it too soon

I don't have any idea what you're trying to do I really don't and I've reread what you're doing so I really have nothing more to offer, except as I mentioned above start feeding newts on a regular schedule, and I would switch to the Jacks 123

chemistry · Aug 16, 2020

You can lead a horse to water.

Oa.ahhu · Aug 16, 2020

Hey op if you give me a list of what you got i will try to create a schedule for you. Let's get this organized and see what we can do for you.
Just copy and paste the questions and list what you have.

Soil(s)
Nutrient(s)-
Measuring probes (ph/ec)-
Strain(s)-
Light(s)-
Pot(s)-
Equipment (fans/humidity/co2/measuring devices)-

chemistry said:
You can lead a horse to water.

euphoria526 · Aug 16, 2020

Beachwalker said:
foxfarm is not hot soil that's hippie myth; it's only hot when you start pouring other newts in it too soon

I don't have any idea what you're trying to do I really don't and I've reread what you're doing so I really have nothing more to offer, except as I mentioned above start feeding newts on a regular schedule, and I would switch to the Jacks 123

maybe im confused about what you mean when you say ' I don't know what you're trying to do'?
im trying to grow and make it healthy enough to flower with what I have and not spend more.
I just feel like an idiot

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