Nutrient Comparison Testing

[desertsquirrel]

Though the subject of this thread seems to drift, ill attempt to answer a few of your questions, as this seems to be a prime example of a very little knowledge is a dangerous thing...

First of all ammonia (NH3) and ammonium nitrate (NH4-NO3) are two different things. Even if you say the word ammonia 5000 times your never going to find it on a single label to a single nutrient product. Thats right, no fumes, no toxins, no 25% (did you make that number up?)

Secondly this talk of "CS has too little N" and "plants need more nitrogen" is unhelpful. You claim to do testing and studies however you refuse to use numbers. How much N do these products have? How much is appropriate?

Third, The concept your talking about, that ammonium nitrate is 100% unusable by plants w/o the presence of nitrification is in no way new, however there are several people with a nuanced understanding of it. According to a few agronomists NH4 is directly usable to a very small degree, the idea being that as the molecule slowly looses hydrogen ions and then gains oxygen ions the N becomes increasingly available. Following along those lines, a few experiments in water culture have shown that the plants can rapidly uptake small amounts of NH4 and that if is in the proper amounts, spurs the uptake of NO3 and elemental solutions in general. I am not saying it happens, I'm saying it is a live debate in the field.

BTW, why have you never posted a single tissue sample, piece of data, or pic of your work? You seem to talk about it in every thread that you post.

Anyway, I have several threads on these issues, they may help you:

UC nutrient profile side-by-side (cns 17, php, ionic, and H&G):

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/uc-actual-available-nutrient-profiles.33282/

Cultured Solutions (i hope to soon have an in-depth discussion of ammonium nitrate here):

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/cultured-solutions-filthy-filthy-porn.50143/#post-894788

Or my thread :The myth of low N. (Which i cant seem to find the link right now.)

 

[RollinEndough]

Discussion battle, Round 1, FIGHT!

 

[UCMENOW]

I should also mention that during these test we will have a "control" system running that will be using a ammonia free formula.

It is shocking to me that more ammonia free formulas are not available for hydroponic systems. I currently know of only two brands. It seems everyone ignores the fact that when running a sterile type system in true hydroponics like DWC or RDWC that you would be missing the bacteria that converts ammonia to something the plants can actually use. Yet still you find up to 25% ammonia content in "hydroponic" formulas. This seems like such common sense and a no brainer you would think....... they will tell you either the plants need ammonia which is hogwash, or they tell you it is for a "performance" gain.....ROFL!!

What you will find in the coming future as more studies are being done and more is learned by the people who make nutrients is that ammonia free nutrients is the way to go for true hydroponics. You heard it here first.......

Flyingskull is that you?

 

[UCMENOW]

Seriously though, this is a good thread to discuss an interesting topic.

We should end up with some very useful info b the time this thread matures.

Personally I've used H&G, Canna, Dutch Master, Ionic, Dyna Gro, GH, Botanicare, CS. All of which with varying degrees of success. Most were very pH stable others, not so much. The one thing these nutes all have in common is they employ Ammoniacal Nitrogen as a small part of the available N.

What I found is when i had the best pH stability with any of the above mentioned, it corresponded with lower EC levels being maintained. The most important factor in producing any high quality fert is getting the proper ratio of minerals relative to one another spot on. When this is achieved it makes acquiring peak plant health far more likely at low EC's. Especially when coupled with the extremely efficient cation exchange capacity of water as a grow medium.

I think CS excels as a result of the mineral ratios relative to plant needs being so on point. Coupled with H2O and light, plants use the minerals to complete the photosynthetic chemical reaction . The plant evapo-transpirates the excess H2O and stores a small portion of the uptaken minerals for future use. The less stored minerals and chlorophyll in the leaf/bud tissue at harvest, the more pure the representation of the plants true genetic potential.

 

[KennyPowers]

can CS be bought country wide or just out west still? UC has been on my mind lately so its time to start hammering out plans for the fall run.

 

[RollinEndough]

can CS be bought country wide or just out west still? UC has been on my mind lately so its time to start hammering out plans for the fall run.

It can be delivered by UPS. I ordered some to CO.

 

[All4freedumb]

Looking at the past say year or two of various testing results, according to OUR independent results; most results show that Heavy 16 is one of the best and complete choices for a UC system..

I'm curious, what else was in your feeding profile when running Heavy 16? Thx, A4FD

 

[Coloradofrost]

Can anyone point me in the right direction to get my hands on some CS? I've done a couple google searches as well as check the current culture website but cant seem to find it. I'm about to start my first under current grow and want to start off right.

 

[RollinEndough]

Can anyone point me in the right direction to get my hands on some CS? I've done a couple google searches as well as check the current culture website but cant seem to find it. I'm about to start my first under current grow and want to start off right.

Their phone number is on the CCH2O website, give them a call during business hours and see what's good.

 

[desertsquirrel]

hmm.. I wonder who the 1 vote for H16 is? haha

 

[RollinEndough]

hmm.. I wonder who the 1 vote for H16 is? haha

 

[desertsquirrel]

Apparantly its not just growing, nutrient profiles and agricultural terms that confuse "advancebiohydroponics," apparently she has trouble reading as well.

Ammoniacal nitrogen and Urea content in heavy 16: (haha)

my favorite part is: 1-877-yo-heavy

hahahaha

 

[UCMENOW]

Apparantly its not just growing, nutrient profiles and agricultural terms that confuse "advancebiohydroponics," apparently she has trouble reading as well.

Ammoniacal nitrogen and Urea content in heavy 16: (haha)

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my favorite part is: 1-877-yo-heavy

hahahaha

Thank you DS. IMO this is a perfect example of "Advanced Bio" 101.

ABH, you've been spouting on this whole NH4-NO3 is the devil kick while simultaneously being clueless and disingenuous for some time now. All I can say is you my friend are a true multi-tasker, kudos.

Ultimately DS has a wealth of knowledge that he's taken the time to share with the Farm. Just look up his many threads if you doubt, and you'll quickly be assured of DS's commitment to sharing information.

You from what I've seen, you on the other hand have trolled in and out of threads passing on your opinion as "Data". Sharing your opinion is invited, I just ask that you quit misrepresenting your opinion as something more.

 

[RollinEndough]

Darnit. I secretly wanted ABH to be right on a few points and come back with some photos that would leave us scratching our heads wondering what we've been doing so wrong.

But here we are stuck in reality. A urea soaked reality.

 

[desertsquirrel]

Dude, he totally did that already.

haha

 

[LexLuthor]

Where is ABH??? I thought this was his thread??? Ya'll made him go hide in a cave like Saddam Hussein lol.

All jokes aside, I was looking forward to a great debate, but it doesn't look like thats gonna happen :(

 

[PrefersHam]

There was no debate to be had. It was clear who the snake oil salesmen was. Speaking of ABH did anyone ever get a PDF of his magical mystery water magnets???

Peace,


Ham

 

[desertsquirrel]

So he just took his h16 and went home?

 

[hogan400]

Yo heavy, get the f outta here. That customer service number is the funniest shit ever.... you cant make that up! hahahaha

I was thinking of trying it, but after seeing that, I must refuse.... CS for me at least booster!

 

[PrefersHam]

I think it was a girl