Seamaiden
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Huh? I think we're using different definitions of this word.Obtuse would mean Im not explaining exactly what i mean or do so insensitively.
Sensitivity has got a thing to do with this. I asked you a question hoping to better understand you, because that's pretty much the whole reason I'm on sites like this. You asked me a question, I thought because you wanted to better understand me. Turns out that all you really want to do is stomp around and insist that I and others here are flat out wrong for using words in a way you don't like. That's not 'advice' and frankly, that's not very helpful.Pretty sure I exactly explained what I was trying to convey that contradicts your logic...sensitively or not. Im not here to make people happy, im trying to help people grow better. Don't want the advice, don't take it. Keep flushing however yall think is better.. Ill keep improving my methods...
Then you're applying label that not just to me, as I'm sure you know. You're applying that to every grower who's experienced with coco who tells people not to bother pHing the water they use for flushing.I answered your questions, and with detailed responses, as i did to everyone else. I asked why uptake is different- because its not and clarified why. Using up whats in the tissues is uptake. And you need plant tissue to be in appropriate range for that to work best. If you were trying to take in info you wouldn't be spending posts refuting experience, and science with the fact you cant "tell" a difference from a few flushes. instead you'd rather get your feelings hurt and think im stomping around cuz im tired of trying to help people that evidentally dont care. its why they call me true grit, I dont bs or sugarcoat shit and im just blunt, to the point,rude or what have you at times.
Im not sayin you are wrong for using words i dont like, I said you are wrong for saying you don't need to pH. And if that means giving growers poor information for worse results, then yes- thats what im insinuating.
Then you're applying label that not just to me, as I'm sure you know. You're applying that to every grower who's experienced with coco who tells people not to bother pHing the water they use for flushing.
I want to make crystal clear to you that you are not taking up the information I've given you regarding MY experiments with pHing flush water. I did two entire GROWS that I finished by pHing the water. There was no difference in performance (yield), or, most importantly, the smoke (quality). Now, if I have the smoke from the non-pH'ed available to sample right next to the pH'd (flush water) and the only differences that I or anyone else I share my smoke with can detect have to do with the strains, then I can state unequivocally there is no difference.
But I am very clearly wrong because you say so, and you've backed up your words with... your words.
Since you wanna hit us with the science, how about you tell us all about pH in the rhizosphere and whether or not the plant can have any effect on its own rhizosphere?
So what are your thoughts on using a flushing agent and not using a flushing agent? I hear some Farmers that say they use tap, RO, phed, not phed, H20 to flush, but how much do the flushing agents work for us? Just curious. Also what brands have been used with good results? As far as phed flushing, I ph because I'm ocd. lol I don't see an issue with dumping some ph down into my res or whatever. I would rather just ph to be safe. I haven't taken the time to do a side by side test yet, but I would assume that phed flushing would be a good idea if you can afford the time and money needed to do so.
Also I was curious what the reason for flushing with a quarter strength solution is? Obviously not for the final flush, but I have read that a 1/4 strength nute solution is a better flush. How come this is? Is it equivalent to the flush with a flushing agent because of the chelation?
Cheers,
Crom
I like the idea of feeding calcium all the way to the end, even if one does cut out N and P somewhere before that. I had not thought of using calcium carbonate to accomplish that. I did not want to use calcium nitrate because of the nitrogen, was a little afraid of calcium chloride because I wasn't sure how that much chloride would do the plant...but calcium carbonate...excellent idea.
I was reading some info from the tobacco industry, where how it burns and the ash that is left is of significant importance to them. If one removes to much calcium/magnesium from the plant it loses the ability to completely burn all of the carbon...the ash does not end up white. If I find that article I will link it.
anyways...thanks true grit. i have a new trial to run.
Plants will still continue to take in water within a certain range. I used to water outdoor plants when I was on an artesian well with water in the upper 7's. The plants did not die or even appear stressed. They certainly may not have been taking in any additional nutrients from the soil but they certainly did not die. And that is in essence what we are doing with the flush.
We are forcing the plant to not rely on external nutes but rather to use them up from within themselves.
Its similar to human beings. If we deprive ourselves of certain elements like quality proteins, our bodies will scavenge from within themselves whatever they can to continue. If it continues for long enough, we deplete our reserves and will eventually die.
For the record, I am not saying that you definitely should not ph, I simply have found over the years that it makes no difference. Or at least so little difference as to be indistinguisable to ppl. Believe me, I do not skip ph'ing the final flush water to save what amounts to a penny in acid. I found that the most important thing it to flush with tons of water to get rid of the nutes...period!
What do you mean by this? I only ask because you said that you believed it was your tastiest run. I really want my buds to taste nice and would love to know more about that. Thanks!
Peace and love,
OK
I've smoked Sea's buds and they smoke great. Good taste, burns clean, certainly not lacking it potency. Don't knock it until you try it. A gradual reduction of nutrients followed by compost tea and carbs and finishing with just water is exactly the same as how I run my organic soil grows and it works great.
Also pH of the medium does not directly reflect pH of the plant tissues. They are usually pretty close but not identical. Often then internal pH can be different than the medium, as can EC and nutrient concentrations. Actually, EC and nutrient concentrations in the tissues are often radically different than medium concentrations and internal nutrient concentrations can reach far higher levels than the concentration in the medium.
I get weekly sap readings (tissues samples) on my plants and have done so for many years. Cannabis is extremely different than other plants in regards to nutrient uptake and how much it uses - comparing it to how other plants react is an invalid argument.
Whoa... Really? You did not just say that, did you?Honestly don't care what the buds smoke like, look like or smell like.
If you don't follow processes fully, you aren't following processes fully. I smoke plenty of dank from other folks that tastes fine, looks good and is strong- doesn't mean its grown to the utmost...
I have run organic soils too (my first love), and this coco is no where near organic soil as a medium simply because of uptake. We are essentially running hydro with a medium, uptake will be faster, results from changes more noticable and quicker. Its not like soil, where ya break down way early and can flush forever and the humic/fulvics take care of any inconsistencies in the flush. This is more direct.
I didn't say the internal would be exact, but as you said- there is a correlation (most test ive seen are up to say +/- 1.0, where if properly chelated is fine). Never said anything bout EC and build up, just referred to internal pH for reference of uptake. And im sure you have seen if you input in appropriate ph range, the internal is probably in range too. So again, if tissue levels can have higher nutrient concentrations, why the hell would you let that 'similar' ph value go out of range when you NEED to process whats internal?
Am I going in circles with logic here? where the fuck is the bangin the head on the wall icon?
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