Oh My God, He Turned It INSIDE OUT!!!

ttystikk · Sep 13, 2013

Goldenrod said:
Outstanding sir. Methinks thou May be o to the holy frail of grow techniques. Hope yall achieve greatness. AGAIN!!!!!!!! Ho ho ho

So when was the first time this happened to me? I must be getting old, cuz I don't remember...

Goldenrod · Sep 19, 2013

Referring to pics yall post on another site I used to frequent. Room of holy grail of as I recall. Mmmmmmmmm

Smallzz · Oct 16, 2013

Just spitballing an idea here, but what if you used hinges on the back of the cage, and then a long bolt and two nuts in the front, so that you could expand the diameter of the cage when the plants grew past vertical limitations and started growing towards the bulb? Should be pretty easy to disassemble for maintenance as well, just pop a nut or two off and two hinge pins.

As long as your outer reflector has adequate clearance, this would let you accommodate a wider variety of strains in the system, right?

ttystikk · Oct 17, 2013

Not quite sure I follow you here- elaborate?

Smallzz · Oct 17, 2013

Have the half circles open up like a clam shell with hinges in the back, and then bolts in the front with say wingnuts. This would allow you to expand the diameter of your cage on an as needed basis.

I was trying to think of what sort of limitations your system might run in to, the biggest being distance from canopy to bulb. If you could expand the diameter or even retract it at will, you'd give the grower using your cage more control over the canopy distance. Win win for everyone. You charge 5$ a wingnut, the grower gets more control over their perimeters. :p hahaha

How you would secure the hinges to the half circle trellis and how you'd attach the bolt and wingnuts is a different story. I'll have to think about that one some more.

Smallzz · Oct 17, 2013

just ignore the above bit about the outer reflector. I was confused.

ttystikk · Oct 17, 2013

Some wingnut was confused. Check. Lol j/k

ttystikk · Oct 17, 2013

The trellis would need to have a different radius curve built into it to be a proper circle of different diameter. So, you end up with units of different sizes built to match different bulbs; I imagine something like a 3' tall x 3' dia. trellis cylinder would accommodate a 600W bulb pretty well, for instance.

The style I envision is designed to spread light and heat evenly in two dimensions; vertically as it moves and horizontally just by its shape, resulting in a light distribution pattern that arguably raises the bar of the term 'optimal'. Since it's just wire field fencing, it is both inexpensive and easy to work with.

Smallzz · Oct 17, 2013

ttystikk said:
Some wingnut was confused. Check. Lol j/k

I walked right into that one... :p

what I'm wondering is what helps hold the trellis to it's desired shape? Do you have a frame or are you counting on just the trellis itself? I'm guessing no frame. When I look at capulator's design on page three and envision what you're trying to build, it seems to me the really resounding difference is his appears more rigid, because of the base holding the trellis in place.

ttystikk · Oct 17, 2013

I may use a piece of rod near the top of the trellis, but I'm going to hang the trellis from the ceiling and the plant will hold it in place at the bottom. The wire of the trellis will grab the other one and I can bend the wires to lock the two pieces together at the ends.

Smallzz · Oct 17, 2013

ttystikk said:
I may use a piece of rod near the top of the trellis, but I'm going to hang the trellis from the ceiling and the plant will hold it in place at the bottom. The wire of the trellis will grab the other one and I can bend the wires to lock the two pieces together at the ends.

It all makes a lot more sense now. I'm looking forward to seeing this thing in action!

monkeymun · Oct 17, 2013

This is an awesome idea!

Capulator said:
each three plant section on casters with fixed screens. 3, 1k down the middle, or double stack 600's. can be opened to access. 6 plants. potential harvest: 6 potatoes.

needed footprint: 7' x 14' x 10' ceiling (for 1' access all the way around when closed): area : 98 sq. ft.

canopy area: 225 sq. ft. assuming 6' tall screens.

expandable: yes.

self contained with individual res/pump etc: yes.

30" wide can be pushed from veg room to flower room. View attachment 304607 View attachment 304608 View attachment 304609 View attachment 304610

Have you used a system like this Cap?

Capulator · Oct 26, 2013

monkeymun said:
This is an awesome idea!

Have you used a system like this Cap?

Nope. I wanted to though. I am currently going for the honeycomb.

ttystikk · Oct 26, 2013

Capulator said:
Nope. I wanted to though. I am currently going for the honeycomb.

I'm glad you stopped by, Cap- and when it comes to comparisons, I think the honeycomb plan you're developing will be an incredible yield per square foot machine. Are you using light movers to move your bulbs?

ttystikk · Nov 13, 2013

The install is underway! The RDWC is in place, airless aeration setup installed, one cylinder trellis hung from the ceiling. Now for the bits to make the bulbs dance...

I'm looking to have this room in action in a couple of days...

...wait for it...

...firing on all cylinders! :rolleyes:

ttystikk · Nov 16, 2013

Still working installation bugs out as I come across them. Hanging the trellis from the ceiling makes more sense and lets me control the unit better. I've been through three ideas about how to run the light mover and I'm not satisfied yet.

The tubs underneath have gotten an upgrade; airless aeration, via waterfall into each site instead of the waterfall return from the pump going into the only bucket in the whole system without plants.(!) This system improves agitation and churn, still does a great job of aerating to saturation and also provides lots of splash to entice roots out of the netpot and into the environment underneath.

I'm also lowering the level of water in the tubs a bit, we'll see how that goes.

Chronic Monster · Nov 17, 2013

this thread needs more pics, lol
love you man,

ttystikk · Nov 17, 2013

Chronic Monster said:
this thread needs more pics, lol
love you man,

One bulb to light them all, and in the lightness find them.

Too damned dark in there right now, can't see shit on my phone's camera. As soon as I get a bulb in place, I promise! My ass, it's going to bed now tho. It said, 'who is the dumb one, I leading the show now!'

Medusa · Nov 17, 2013

TY..get your ass outta bed and give us some pic's ......bossy huh...Lol

ttystikk · Nov 17, 2013

Medusa said:
TY..get your ass outta bed and give us some pic's ......bossy huh...Lol

I knew there was a reason I wasn't in the military... And I think it had a lot to do with the hours involved.

Believe me when I say that I really need all the beauty sleep I can get!

Oh My God, He Turned It INSIDE OUT!!!

Oh My God, He Turned It INSIDE OUT!!!

Am I nuts? Or, does an inside-out tree make sense to you?

He's whack! No way will this work.

Plants can put up with a lot, but this isn't going anywhere.

Anything is possible- it could work, right?

I like it, but it's no revolution.

This is the Future of indoor gardening!

ttystikk

Goldenrod

Smallzz

ttystikk

Smallzz

Smallzz

ttystikk

ttystikk

Smallzz

ttystikk

Smallzz

monkeymun

Capulator

likes to smell trees.

ttystikk

ttystikk

ttystikk

Chronic Monster

ttystikk

Medusa

Trichome Engineer

ttystikk

Oh My God, He Turned It INSIDE OUT!!!

Oh My God, He Turned It INSIDE OUT!!!

Am I nuts? Or, does an inside-out tree make sense to you?

He's whack! No way will this work.

Plants can put up with a lot, but this isn't going anywhere.

Anything is possible- it could work, right?

I like it, but it's no revolution.

This is the Future of indoor gardening!

ttystikk

Goldenrod

Smallzz

ttystikk

Smallzz

Smallzz

ttystikk

ttystikk

Smallzz

ttystikk

Smallzz

monkeymun

Capulator

likes to smell trees.

ttystikk

ttystikk

ttystikk

Chronic Monster

ttystikk

Medusa

Trichome Engineer

ttystikk

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