squiggly said:

I think you've hit the nail on the head dude. This is the kind of thing that I'm not so good at lol.

Summer is actually going terribly. I've been really sick the entire time and it's been one thing after another in terms of being busy. Was looking forward to a break--and it's becoming clear that I won't get one this year :)

Yeah dude when I tell jokes sometimes they go over well--but when I hear them they don't always behave in my head as they should. I take things literally which are meant lightly--etc.

For this reason I'm actually hugely into stand up comedy--I view it both as practice, and some of these guys/gals are so good at what they do that even I get it :p

I have had time to catch up on some of the new comedy specials this summer thus far, so there's that.

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LOL! that was your short answer??? You little Einstein you, lmao....no im just playing. Your mind must be kranked to 11 all the time. Sorry you been sick....but I hear ya on the being busy, now that im back on my feet and hitting the books again ive been balls to the wall, im surprised I have time to grow anymore. Me and the Misses still havnt taken our official honeymoon. Maybe next year?

Dirty White Boy said:

LOL! that was your short answer??? You little Einstein you, lmao....no im just playing.

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See I pick up on obvious sarcasm like this pretty well. The veiled shit swoops right over my head--if it can be taken literally. I take it literally.

Wow i actually''liked''your post about a plane hitting the pentagon!
But then i read the next post you wrote and i had to unlike it.
Can you use your powers to read my mind and tell what im thinking?I hope you can.
Best of luck to you and i hope you start to feel better soon.

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Best of luck to you and i hope you start to feel better soon.

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I'm thinking that while you mean this, you wouldn't know it to hear your true opinion of me.

You and I don't agree or get along--we can probably just leave it there.

In the past few pages Squigs calls me "the physics guy" numerous times and keeps saying how Im wrong. I never claimed to be a physics expert and I clearly stated that. I also stated what Im actually gifted with is technology and at least half or more of the argument is with the camera work not the physics. Squigs you never answer this question (or any of my questions for that matter) and just do the same shit you do with Dirk which is ramble on with invalid points that have NOTHING to do with what we said to you. I dont think anybody needs to be an expert on physics to LOGICALLY see that if a bird can dent a planes nose a big steel building like the WTC would do more than just dent it.. yet on the live video footage the planes nose goes through one side and out the other without the slightest bit of damage. Squigs tell me how the fuck a plastic, hollow plane nose goes through all that steel without damage? As I have said many times, you have not seen the video for yourself so how the hell are you still pretending to know whats going on? I will now give you something new to see. Son of Learjet inventor, Bill Lear, who holds "more FAA airman certificates than any other FAA certificated airman." Here is his sworn affidavit.

A couple points which I would love squiggly to debate in that are

A. In the case of UAL 175 going into the south tower, a real Boeing 767 would have begun ‘telescoping’ when the nose hit the 14 inch steel columns which are 39 inches on center. The vertical and horizontal tail would have instantaneously separated from the aircraft, hit the steel box columns and fallen to the ground.

B. The engines when impacting the steel columns would have maintained their general shape and either fallen to the ground or been recovered in the debris of the collapsed building. One alleged engine part was found on Murray Street but there should be three other engine cores weighing over 9000 pounds each. Normal operating temperatures for these engines are 650°C so they could not possibly have burned up.

Funny.. on all the videos we clearly dont see any of that do we? Read the whole article it has many valid points.. but I already know it wont be good enough for ol squigs. I am still waiting for you to debate like a man and stop trying to attack my credibility. A bunch of people in posts to you have said "You're clearly an intelligent guy squiggly" but I have yet to see this. Every response you give me fails to address the main valid points I make, regardless of what my physics level is logic is logic.

I also used newtons laws of motion on your ass and didnt get a response (as usual) but rather a few pages of you responding to other people while occasionally mentioning "the physics guy". Squigs you're way out of your element on this one.. Cmon hit me with your best shot at debunking, it cant be done and thats obvious because you tip toe around it every time.

Its funny Im willing to watch any video you have, ill read any article you present me but will you give me the same respect? Nope and thats because you live in your close minded world, the one you have built up as "reality". If someone challenges what the all mighty squiggly believes he goes into ignorance mode and ignores all valid logic, refuses to look at the evidence presented and dismisses me by saying hes proved I dont know anything about physics.. I never claimed to know everything there is to know about physics BUT I do know technology, common sense and the basics of physics and science as a whole.. I also have no ulterior motives, can you say the same? Hell no you cant, your so stuck on America being number 1 and blissfully thinking that war = peace it would take a miracle to convince you other wise. Personally Im sick of trying to reach you, some people just werent meant for peace and a bit of enlightenment. Ill never let down the fact you said genocide was okay, your true colors are all throughout this thread.

http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/PDFfiles/Chapter IV Aircraft Impact.pdf

Here is a scientific argument having to do with what can/should happen in an impact--as IT SHOULD BE DONE. BY PROFESSIONALS.

Also, marski, you certainly did say you knew the physics.

Literally your exact words.

I cant believe you sit there telling me about physics, thats the JOKE bro. Not only do I know the physics are wrong....

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See any problems with that statement?

Here's some more:

Also lets point out since you know physics so well in the non live footage aka the "Hezarkhani" footage you see the plane go straight into the building without bending, breaking, twisting or blowing up in to pieces, alone defies physics(As well as the plane going through both sides). What helps understand WHY it defied physics is when he shows the single frame paused of the plane hitting the building, you can clearly see the planes wing is all the way into the building but the tip of the wing is still poking out. In REAL physics the planes nose, wings,engines EVERYTHING would have broken off and not just melted into the building.

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Literally all of what you say here is addressed in the above article, in painstaking detail (the way it should be with matters like this).

The examples don't stop there:

I have to say it one more time.. a planes nose is hollow and made of plastic.. it could not penetrate a very sturdy steel building and come out the other side still completely intact.

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Where in any of these statements are you not purporting yourself to know a helluva lot more than you really do about physics?

Answer: Nowhere. Your statements actually come in the form of pre-supposing that you know what should have happened. This is painfully close to a fallacy--and I should think that any of these statements (to be made with any confidence) imply at least SOME perceived expertise [which it is clear you do not have].

If you make the statements without confidence, well then thanks for your conjecture--seeya later.

I'm trying to figure out where I haven't been listening to anything you've said. The fact is this--most of what you've said as it relates to the actual scientific analysis has been rambling without purpose or direction, I should know--I just poured through all of it a second time looking for examples of you saying and implying you knew the physics.

You presuppose almost everything, offer no explanation--and expect that your word should be good enough. Since you previously spoke of the real world, I'll reference that. In the real world, your word isn't good enough to justify accusing the American government of mass murder by explosion and demolition.

That's the issue here, and that's why I get to sit on my high horse. Not only is all of science and reason with me--so are honor, respect, and just plain old decency.

When you go anywhere and make an ass of yourself by crying murder at the government from the mountaintops (in some misguided attempt to get the true culprit--whilst subsequently erasing the wrongs of the actual ones)--I get to be an asshole to you.

I get to be an asshole because I say so--you should be glad that I actually have been doing it in a fairly respectful manner. I should've just called you names from the get go and blocked you. I don't remember making any statements about people's age, or falling into name-calling or thinly-veiled sarcasm. That came from the other side first, I've simply sent you a return salvo. How's it taste?

Enjoy the read--maybe it'll give you some perspective on what a real theory is. You see, it actually takes more than some googling and wiki searches to know what the fuck you're talking about as it goes to these types of things.

You can't lazy your way out of everything. Maybe some things, but certainly not physics arguments. Either you know the shit, you learn it, or you don't know it. You are in column C as it goes to this. It couldn't be any more clear if it were biting all of us in our faces. So either get in column B or go back to doing whatever the hell it is that you do best (I'm sure there's something, technology you say--do that).

I'm not saying you might not be right, I'm saying you can't prove it and you've done a shit job of trying to.

So stop it.

Let's move on to some shit you have experience with--I'm more than happy to hear any other proof that you might have regarding something which you haven't pulled from your ass.

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Ill never let down the fact you said genocide was okay, your true colors are all throughout this thread.

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That's fine--you can hold on to things which have been addressed if you so desire. I have apologized for going too far in that respect. I was trying to illustrate a point and the whole thing fell flat on its face. Acknowledged, it was shitty of me. I was too heavy handed with my speech. Can I add anything else to that for you or are you just infinitely begrudged?

Let me know when you feel like apologizing for accusing people of committing mass murder without a shred of solid evidence--then maybe I can restore some respect for you.

I don't think War = Peace. I think peace is myth. It's a dream.

Maybe one day it will exist--but much greater wars will come before that ever happens. Our ancestors were fighting and killing each other before they were humans.

Name one peaceful period in the history of humanity.

One.

Let me know when you feel like apologizing for accusing people of committing mass murder without a shred of solid evidence--then maybe I can restore some respect for you.

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I like your post except this part.
have you searched your soul to understand why anyone would have to appease you.


imo you understanding of his tory is on par with the truth as i see it in regards civilized humanity.
our definitions evolve along with us as we write history on the fly.
changes are being made but its no different than the past.

i love bill cinton just because he said that depends on what your definition of is is.

powers of perception

Squiggly.. you never address the underlining theories at hand.. rather like I said go off rambling on my credibility which btw you proved nothing lol.Just because I claimed a couple instances where the physics look very off to say the least means Im claiming to know every aspect of physics hmm? Squigs if I have done such a shit job proving it why do I get likes on my posts and positive vibes? you.. not so much. Why do more people with a peaceful non asshole mentality understand what I say and you don't? Why have you not mentioned anything about my post where I talk about newtons laws of motion. Newtons LAW, not theory.. LAW shows that if the plane was travelling 500 MPH when it smacked the tower as alleged, that same force is equal to the building itself moving 500 MPH and smacking a plane sitting still on the ground. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to understand the plane would smash into thousands of pieces and not just disappear in to the building.. see I DO KNOW sloppy video editing and like I said that has just as much or more to do with this atrocity.

I also know there were no black box's found(first time ever not recovering a black box), plane parts like engines, luggage, people. I also know that 9/11 was the first day ever in which not just 1 but multiple steel structured buildings collapsed due to fire(the only day in recorded history to date).Its all simple logic really but you're an over privileged "individual" with a one track mind. You think you're so brilliant you can never be wrong which is why you avoid the harder questions I present.I mean its clear you're wrong in your thinking you have presented more than enough proof for me to call a crazy mofo. You claim we can never have peace or not for a very long time just because the world has never seen it truly. You're clearly someone who doesnt see what the internet is doing, bringing people who would have never known each other otherwise together into conversation with the added privileges of vast information sharing. I feel for you squigs, you're obviously a person who thinks material wealth is everything and that killing innocent civilians and stealing their countries resources is needed just because your government says so. I ask you what if it was the other way around and the war was in your own backyard, people you knew and loved dying for no reason. You wouldn't agree with it then but since its not happening to you who cares right?

I'm done talking about this with you squiggly, you're just one of those people who can't be reached.. you're way too illogical to hold any sort of proper debate with. You're like the media you're more focused on trying to turn my words around than do any actual investigating.. purposely leaving things out and not talking about it. You just arent worth wasting my time on especially when you wont even watch the video! Keep on doing what you do squig, you're bound to see the error of your thought process sooner or later... hopefully the ganja can make you a bit of a better individual.. maybe mushrooms even?

"That's the issue here, and that's why I get to sit on my high horse. Not only is all of science and reason with me--so are honor, respect, and just plain old decency." - the most ignorant man alive

Only you squig could think genocide is good and then say you have "honor, respect and plain old decency"
You think that me blaming the government for this is so dis respectful which just goes to show you are biased in your thought process. You justify bad things that your government has done or is doing.. even things you know about that arent just conspiracy but are fact. Where is the honor in protecting and defending evil? Now Im done with you squig.

Yup, just gonna go ahead and block you bro--I find you without use.

Just will leave you with a few parting points:

I have over 1000% more likes than you.

The following statement demonstrates very clearly that you have a high school level understanding of physics, it also essentially prove that you didn't read the article I linked (making you a hypocrite)--congratulations on all of that:

Newtons LAW, not theory.. LAW shows that if the plane was travelling 500 MPH when it smacked the tower as alleged, that same force is equal to the building itself moving 500 MPH and smacking a plane sitting still on the ground.

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Your eyes must be broken if you think I'm overpriveledged. I have been continuously poor since my conception. I grew up in Cook County Illinois ffs--in the shitty part.

Your logic is total shit. I hope that gets you places.

See you just saying things doesn't make them true, I know you wish it would--would make bullshitting a lot easier for you. But alas, you need to actually make sense when you say things in order for them to seem logical.

Read a book dude, for all of our sakes.

vierundzwanzig said:

I like your post except this part.
have you searched your soul to understand why anyone would have to appease you.

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I never assumed that anyone did.

Was merely stating my criteria for taking the dude seriously. Obviously that isn't possible.

Squiggly you have a lot of potential. True right now there are some major issues you have to deal with. i had to deal with my issues as well when i was your age. My advice to you is to try and always put yourself in others shoes. The more i read up on narcissits i realize that i was one as well. Humility is what changed me for the better.

Clearly it shows that there was no burn damage to the upper floors in the pentagon thus ruling out a plane filled with fuel. 8600 pounds of fuel, where did it go? And you have to admit that all the government would have to do is simply show a clear video with a 757 hitting the pentagon, one with windows. There are at least 5 video cameras along that wall that we have had no access to their video's. Also where are the seats? or pieces of them?? so many questions that the probability of a plane hitting the pentagon is almost zero.

Look, dirk.

What you keep doing is belittling me and then making statements you can't back up in any type of meaningful way.

What I keep doing is making statements I can back up in meaningful ways.

You might find me offensive, but I find you totally insulting.

Conversation over. I've said what I need to say here--people can decide for themselves what they want to believe.

Facts, unfortunately--are not subject to decision. They simply are what they are.

FACT -- No Burn Marks On Upper Floors
FACT -- 8600 pounds of burning fuel missing(a % at least)
FACT -- government won't release video from 4-5 other surveillance cameras that would have had a full view of the "plane" lol hit the exterior wall
FACT -- Can't find any evidence of "Seats" or parts of "Seats" that most commercial airplanes have
FACT -- You Are a Narcissist
FACT -- I am a reformed Narcissist lol
FACT -- You are very Naive
FACT -- You have very little life experience outside the classroom
FACT -- I am a pilot
FACT -- You are not a pilot
FACT -- I am very good looking
FACT -- you are not as good looking(ok i cant say fact but probable)
FACT -- you don't seem to even watch a lot of the videos i put up because "they are videos I or others put up"
FACT -- Marski has a very cute baby as his avatar
FACT -- Baba G has some Dank Strains!
FACT -- Only 2 steel buildings ever to fall due to a kerosine fire were on sep 11, 2001
FACT -- You can clearly see explosions as the towers were falling
FACT -- Dick Cheney is a Dick
FACT -- US gov't helped overthrow legitimate democratic gov't of Iran
FACT -- Gulf of Tonkin incident was made up by gov't to go to war against N. Vietnam
FACT -- 2 out of 3 males in USA will get Cancer
FACT -- 1 out of 3 females in USA will get Cancer
FACT -- anytime you have a "hard" question you run and hide like a little girl that lost her blankey

I'll give you my reply on all of these in red--and then I'm blocking you.

FACT -- No Burn Marks On Upper Floors needs more clarification is not an accepted fact
FACT -- 8600 pounds of burning fuel missing(a % at least) needs more clarification is not an accepted fact
FACT -- government won't release video from 4-5 other surveillance cameras that would have had a full view of the "plane" lol hit the exterior wall needs more clarification is not an accepted fact
FACT -- Can't find any evidence of "Seats" or parts of "Seats" that most commercial airplanes have needs more clarification is not an accepted fact
FACT -- You Are a Narcissist You wouldn't know that
FACT -- I am a reformed Narcissist lol So why point out that I am one, if I am (am I somehow worse than you for this?)
FACT -- You are very Naive Again, you have no reference frame for this statement (as with many of your statements)
FACT -- You have very little life experience outside the classroom This by far shows how little you actually know about me and my experiences--I've actually spent very little of my life in the classroom having never finished high school or junior high. I only returned to school 4 years ago.
FACT -- I am a pilot Want a cookie?
FACT -- You are not a pilot You aren't a physicist--and wouldn't know a real scientific argument if it were attached to you as a part of your body.
FACT -- I am very good looking And you're also vain.
FACT -- you are not as good looking(ok i cant say fact but probable) Feeling pretty self important now? Even if this is true, my fiance is fucking bombastically gorgeous, exactly my type, and loves the shit out of me. Added bonus is she's cool as fuck and super chill. Your comments are CHILDISH and show that YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS GROWING UP TO DO, SON.
FACT -- you don't seem to even watch a lot of the videos i put up because "they are videos I or others put up" Is that a surprise, given how fucking stupid and laughable you are?
FACT -- Marski has a very cute baby as his avatar Fair enough.
FACT -- Baba G has some Dank Strains! Also true.
FACT -- Only 2 steel buildings ever to fall due to a kerosine fire were on sep 11, 2001 needs more clarification is not an accepted fact
FACT -- You can clearly see explosions as the towers were falling needs more clarification is not an accepted fact--either the videos are reliable or they aren't. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
FACT -- Dick Cheney is a Dick No argument from me here.
FACT -- US gov't helped overthrow legitimate democratic gov't of Iran Ish--but yup.
FACT -- Gulf of Tonkin incident was made up by gov't to go to war against N. Vietnam Not going to deny this either. Doing so would be to follow in your footsteps by talking about something about which I know absolutely nothing and am likely to make a fool of myself in such an attempt.
FACT -- 2 out of 3 males in USA will get Cancer I have my own theory as to why this is happening. This is yet another topic which I'd know a helluva lot more about than you. Like essentially every topic you could ever bring up, ever. Except maybe being a pilot, or an arrogant prick who goes around calling people arrogant pricks who disagree with him and PROVE IT to hide the fact that he is--in fact--an arrogant prick.
FACT -- 1 out of 3 females in USA will get Cancer read above
FACT -- anytime you have a "hard" question you run and hide like a little girl that lost her blankey I can literally say the exact same thing about you. The difference being my questions are brought to you in equation form--with multiple supports and expert opinions to back them up. Yours primarily come from websites run by tin-foil-hat-wearers, and provide not a shred of evidence to contradict any of what the experts say.

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At this point I don't give a damn what you choose to say--do whatever allows you to keep patting yourself on the back for having it all figured out. You should really think of applying for a theoretical or applied physics position at MIT or CERN. I'm sure your talents pf judging the truth about physics arguments could be of great benefit to the world.

A million people couldn't figure this all out, and you've done it all by your lonesome--how amazing. How it must feel to have such a far reaching and indomitable intelligence. I can't fathom it.

In fact we should all probably just start worshiping you as the shepherd and savior of mankind who will lead us away from our terrible government.

Get of your soap box, moron--you've had one to many round-a-bouts with LSD methinks. You're a pathetic, delusional, illogical, pompous, bad-grammar-having, poor argument forming, conceited, otiose, dick-spinner.

It's amazing how you're able to do this all in your head, without ever picking up a pen or a calculator. Not even Einstein could've done that. I see a Nobel Prize in your future, no doubt.

Or maybe you'll die having never accomplished anything of note, and then you'll be smothered in earth to rot in obscurity forever and ever, amen.

I hope a car falls on you--and I hope that car is a PT cruiser--and that they can't unstick you from it and your wake is just all of your loved ones around a fucking purple PT cruiser with wood grain accents.

Go back and read the article I posted--that is my "question" to you. Can you refute that?

No--you can't even fucking read it dude, it's too far beyond your own ability to comprehend--so you fall back on "knowing what's right". You sound like the rest of the world, and embody everything which is wrong with it.

I'm not going to sit here and have a logical debate by discounting your illogical and fallacious premises. That's not how a logical debate goes. I'm not running from real questions--I'm running from responding to patent bullshit. Or more correctly, I'm not wasting my time explaining how to form an argument to a retard.

I find that almost all weed puffers are mellow people. I guess I be wrong. shooosh.

kolah said:

I find that almost all weed puffers are mellow people. I guess I be wrong. shooosh.

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That's the crazy thing dude, I'm usually super mellow.

People who are exceedingly and willfully stupid get me riled up, I guess.

Oh well, fuck 'em. His voice will be drowned out and never heard over the chants of sane people--like the rest of the foolhardy conspiracy theorists. They think it's so noble--but it's truly just a misguided attempt making oneself important by relation to one's knowledge about the spoooky truth.

People like to put themselves on a pedestal and believe they know better. Hence the terms sheeple and things of this nature.

Dude thinks he's soooo smart, but probably hasn't cracked a book or read anything which wasn't extreme or inflammatory in nature in a decade.

No wonder he's so convinced of his delusions.

Again the hate spews from you squiggly. Agree to disagree and move on, you and almost everyone has belittled someone on this thread or engaged in smart ass comments enticing argumentation. You, being so scientific and level headed should be the one with no emotion fraying your thoughts. I won't entertain this thread anymore as it is as useful as stomping on a shit filled bag on fire.

Squiggs, I find it easier just to ignore stupid people. ..instead of getting all riled up. :)

But, for the record though, I am with dirk 100%.

Someone once told that when a man knows he is right he has no reason to argue.

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