Overwatering issues, one plant only, would love to save her...

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Yes, to protect the trunk.
I am glad we can help, but the only legend here is my wife (@BionicKroniK) for putting up with me for so many years! Of course, @Aqua Man is royalty, so... be sure and kiss the ring. 😂 🤪🚬😎
Sorry to labour a point - looking at that picture above you'd be more than happy knowing I'm taking off both the long 3-fin and the droopy 5-fin and just leaving my node 4 seven fins with the secondary shoots underneath?
 
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Yes, to protect the trunk.

Sorry to labour a point - looking at that picture above you'd be more than happy knowing I'm taking off both the long 3-fin and the droopy 5-fin and just leaving my node 4 seven fins with the secondary shoots underneath?
Lets have a pic from the side.
 
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Day 29 from seed in coco, 3 girls are absolutely praying, one has taken the hit from my poor effort at watering for a few days there. I tried to go to more smaller waterings, not considering that the roots need time between to actually breathe, and also underestimating just how much of the pot the roots have access to. Wasn't until I moved my sick one that I saw the roots coming out the bottom and realised they had already started to fill out the pots. Guess I underestimated them somewhat. So I totally underestimated how much water they have access to to cut a long story short.

Not overly surprised this one struggled, she's a genetic weirdo, but I'd still like her to live and see what she's about. This commenced 2 nights ago, so yesterday and today she's had no water. She is definitely better, but at the bottom of her leaf rise/fall cycle she sitting in dirt. A little shorter in the trunk than the others, partly I think genetic and partly stunting from overwater.

Her roots do show a little bit of brown on the end, so I've made my peace there's some root damage. Would love some advice on how to fix this, though I will say as soon as flower starts I will use Cannazym on all of them to keep roots white and pristine and break down the junk to make room. Priority now is to get her praying like her sisters, especially as she is ripe and ready for topping but can't do it while she's stressed. She's still making beautiful new veg which makes me think the damage has been caught early, but don't want to get hopes up just to watch her die.

I've drained the runoff that was in the bottom pot below, and stuffed the space with paper towel, which is drawing water out the bottom at a pretty good rate. As it soaks up I'll change it until it stops coming out soaked. If I understand coco (first grow), gravity will pull water from the top as the bottom empties which will leave loads of air around the top roots and start to restore the balance. I've poked some air holes around the outside with a chopstick to let some air in, I know it opens up for gnats but that room is basically hermetically sealed and right now priority is to dry her out. Increased the fan on her and brought temp up in the room a couple degrees too.

Anything else obvious I should be doing? Anything that helps me save her is much appreciated. I'm so close to having a beautiful room of praying plants on my first grow and would love to bring this lovely girl to her peak. She has a lovely low flat profile that should work beautifully, and that's before she's been topped. Cheers all.
It looks big enough to get rid of them lower leafs already new ones grew it looks like.
 
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It looks big enough to get rid of them lower leafs already new ones grew it looks like.
And further to this, are you saying do this to all the plants or just the ones where the lower leaves are particularly droopy? The 3 older girls of the 4 all have quite leathery lower leaves tbh, is that the idea to get rid of those as the plant grows to allow it to prioritise the new growth?
 
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The one on bottom left was the struggler, fan leaves 1, 2 and 3 are gone now. Will post pics soon. But you can see the one at the back left has similar leathery floppy leaves on node 2, bottom right has poor and burned node 1 leaves. The two at the back have both been topped also, front right has not yet as is a week younger. But node one can go. Cut cotyledons off as well if they are in the dirt and stuff? The plant I trimmed had weird little vegetation growing out of the cotyledons is that normal?
 
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I wouldn't trim any more yet. Let them grow a bit first.
 
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Thanks to all the amazing growers in this thread for taking the time to help. All great advice, realising the truth that damaged tissue is nothing but a drain just as it would be for you and me is a big one. You can see in the first pic how she looks now, true leaves from first three nodes all culled and what is left has never looked better.

Next picture is what greeted me when I opened the tent an hour after lights on. Four happy plants praying to the sun, all loving life. Good morning from my girls to you and yours.

Last pic is my latest change. I never liked that 4mm tube with the open tee joints, no matter what they tell me I know watering in little Jets like that creates channels and dry pockets. Switch to hydro halos. Also stopped to apply some high school physics to my setup that was recommended by the hydro store (see second picture) and realised having two lines each with two plants in sequence meant the first plant in the line was getting more than the second. Have completely reconfigured this with a joint directly between all four plants guaranteeing all four get the same amount always. Hope your girls are loving life as much as these Queens! Peace and blaze y'all.
 
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So I reckon I've worked out the slight mag and nitrogen deficiency, and the vast difference between my EC in and out. It's been well low, which is obviously preferable to too high. But I've learned two things. One is that inadequate distribution of water can lead to dry spots and water columns, which is exactly what I had been telling the guy at the store. This typically leads to low EC out numbers. I have no doubt the halos will help this.

However...the big issue became more apparent when I tested the EC of my tap water. We have had loooooooads of rain the last couple of months and it must've rattled all the salts off the water lines. EC of tap water was....drum roll.... 700. So I've been giving 1700EC water no realising that a full 700 of it was inaccessible forms of Ca and Mg that are inaccessible and bind preferentially and block out accessible forms. Now that I've done my first flush, I've switched to some rainwater I collected over the last couple of weeks, and have just picked up a water filter that fits on my hose tap so that I get proper low EC water to start with. But there you go I've basically been underfeeding them the whole time without really doing a lot wrong other than not recognising the EC of the local tap water had gone from 200 to 700 in the space of a couple of weeks. I'm adding the water filter and just eliminating the issue for good.
 
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700 PPM tap water? That's water with pulp.
Ridiculous right? My city is pretty famous for having poor and generally chlorin-y water, but it was seriously 200 a couple weeks ago. I just can't even use it atm so the filter is just a non negotiable going forward. Easy $30 to spend.
 
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So I reckon I've worked out the slight mag and nitrogen deficiency, and the vast difference between my EC in and out. It's been well low, which is obviously preferable to too high. But I've learned two things. One is that inadequate distribution of water can lead to dry spots and water columns, which is exactly what I had been telling the guy at the store. This typically leads to low EC out numbers. I have no doubt the halos will help this.

However...the big issue became more apparent when I tested the EC of my tap water. We have had loooooooads of rain the last couple of months and it must've rattled all the salts off the water lines. EC of tap water was....drum roll.... 700. So I've been giving 1700EC water no realising that a full 700 of it was inaccessible forms of Ca and Mg that are inaccessible and bind preferentially and block out accessible forms. Now that I've done my first flush, I've switched to some rainwater I collected over the last couple of weeks, and have just picked up a water filter that fits on my hose tap so that I get proper low EC water to start with. But there you go I've basically been underfeeding them the whole time without really doing a lot wrong other than not recognising the EC of the local tap water had gone from 200 to 700 in the space of a couple of weeks. I'm adding the water filter and just eliminating the issue for good.
Filtering. A simple solution that solves a bunch of headaches at once. That's pretty much why we do it. All it really adds is peace of mind.
 
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Filtering. A simple solution that solves a bunch of headaches at once. That's pretty much why we do it. All it really adds is peace of mind.
Can you suggest a simple solution for this? I'm just getting my water off an outside hose. I put a small RV system filter on there but then realised it only really takes out particles and maybe some chlorine. Didn't drop EC one bit. I'm assuming it needs RO, what about one of the ones for a tap system that has the double filter with the carbon filter? Anyone know if they will drop EC?
 
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Can you suggest a simple solution for this? I'm just getting my water off an outside hose. I put a small RV system filter on there but then realised it only really takes out particles and maybe some chlorine. Didn't drop EC one bit. I'm assuming it needs RO, what about one of the ones for a tap system that has the double filter with the carbon filter? Anyone know if they will drop EC?
We use this because it eliminates 90% of anything that will change the numbers. It does not balance pH or anything, but it gives great peace of mind.
 
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We use this because it eliminates 90% of anything that will change the numbers. It does not balance pH or anything, but it gives great peace of mind.
All the ones I see when I search online that look like this say 'bench top water filter. That the right thing?
 

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