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Just got off work... not sure how ya mixed em but will check back when I wake up.I tossed it out..is there anything on the subject you have read aqua that iron and cal precipiate out of solution when they are added after si ..see how i dont listen lol even when your right..lol..
yeah, i think that's the case, but i'm a newb so take that fwiw?So is the general takeaway here that if you're using a pH adjusted soil (I'm in ocean forest), and you're not using silica and you're water isn't too far from neutral (my tap runs around 7.1-7.2), then you're better off not using pH up or down? My first FFOF grow I didn't know anything about pH -- my second grow I've been pHing every watering/feed and my plants don't look nearly as good as when I wasn't worrying about it. Could be an infinite number of reasons for that I guess, but after reading this thread I'm inclined to box up my pH Up/Down.
Imo yes.So is the general takeaway here that if you're using a pH adjusted soil (I'm in ocean forest), and you're not using silica and you're water isn't too far from neutral (my tap runs around 7.1-7.2), then you're better off not using pH up or down? My first FFOF grow I didn't know anything about pH -- my second grow I've been pHing every watering/feed and my plants don't look nearly as good as when I wasn't worrying about it. Could be an infinite number of reasons for that I guess, but after reading this thread I'm inclined to box up my pH Up/Down.
Every grow will be different... read the plants is the best way but typically 1.2-1.4 mid to late veg. May need a water only day in there but hard to sayTo confirm my well water comes out at ph of 8 and an ec of .4. I’m using bubble buckets I flushed the media and plant root with sledgehammer/water mix. I then put the plants in plain water ph balanced to 6.0, and verified ec at .37 with no nutrients. I just want to watch my ph for a day or two before adding any nutes.
I have some cal/mag (fox farm) coming, I expect that to help moderate my ph. I definitely have been adding to much nutrients. Since my roots are in water what should my vegetative ec be? I’ve seen some that say never over 1.2, but am not sure.
Testing right after watering?Over the past week I’ve been running a test to figure out if there’s a reason to pH balance the water/nutrients i feed my plants.
I have 39 clones and a soil pH meter
half of the clones got pH balanced water and nutrients, the other half just got water and nutrients. Here are my findings:
The clones who received pH balanced water maintained a soil pH of right around 6.0
The clones who did not receive pH balanced water all had soils whose measurements maxed the needle of my pH meter, so their soil was at least 8.0.
All Of the plants look healthy. I don’t see any distinguishable difference between them.
As much as I’d love to skip the step of having to pH balance everything, I think for now I’m going to continue doing it. I just thought I’d share my findings.
Kinda curious what water source and nutrients your using that would give you a ph of 8 after mixing.Over the past week I’ve been running a test to figure out if there’s a reason to pH balance the water/nutrients i feed my plants.
I have 39 clones and a soil pH meter
half of the clones got pH balanced water and nutrients, the other half just got water and nutrients. Here are my findings:
The clones who received pH balanced water maintained a soil pH of right around 6.0
The clones who did not receive pH balanced water all had soils whose measurements maxed the needle of my pH meter, so their soil was at least 8.0.
All Of the plants look healthy. I don’t see any distinguishable difference between them.
As much as I’d love to skip the step of having to pH balance everything, I think for now I’m going to continue doing it. I just thought I’d share my findings.
wow! that's interestingOver the past week I’ve been running a test to figure out if there’s a reason to pH balance the water/nutrients i feed my plants.
I have 39 clones and a soil pH meter
half of the clones got pH balanced water and nutrients, the other half just got water and nutrients. Here are my findings:
The clones who received pH balanced water maintained a soil pH of right around 6.0
The clones who did not receive pH balanced water all had soils whose measurements maxed the needle of my pH meter, so their soil was at least 8.0.
All Of the plants look healthy. I don’t see any distinguishable difference between them.
As much as I’d love to skip the step of having to pH balance everything, I think for now I’m going to continue doing it. I just thought I’d share my findings.
Ummm quick question first... is that whole house unit by chance a water softener? If it is and it sounds like it is then thats probably the root of all your problemsI have had a lot of PH lockout since I started in September. I have a list of about 10 DIFFERENT things I've done to abuse the plants, so its not even worth going there (soil, light, air, water? where do you want to start?). I grew some pretty crappy weed, but now I know what these plants can take and its quite impressive.
The water here is 7.8ph and 800ish ppm, its hard water with a lot of cal/mag.
I have started to use RO water (20ppm) and then just put about 1/3 or 1/4 of tap water (which run through an anti-scale whole house filter as well), enough to get the PPM to 75-150ppm.
I use living soil and top dress the glandular amendments. In the water, in the past, I've added epson salt, cal/mag, molasses, silica, mycos and phdown. Now I'm just recovering from nute lockout on my current grows that's in week 6 of flowering (from adding all that crap AND nutes AFTER lockoutlmao). I have 10 plants coming out of veg stage soon...going treat these gals like queens! I promise ill try.
My question is because I am adding in this 100ppm of cal/mag from tap water, should I still add the 60ppm of general hydroponics CAL/mag with every watering? Its better to add the tap water because of the buffering qualities, eh? Also, I'm afraid I'm killing bennies that cal/mag liquid nute, but I have it and ill use it if I need it.
My question is because I am adding in this 100ppm of cal/mag from tap water, should I still add the 60ppm of general hydroponics CAL/mag with every watering? Its better to add the tap water because of the buffering qualities, eh? Also, I'm afraid I'm killing bennies that cal/mag liquid nute, but I have it and ill use it if I need it.
Ummm quick question first... is that whole house unit by chance a water softener? If it is and it sounds like it is then thats probably the root of all your problems
What's the ppm of the RO water?So my system: town water to> water softener > express water - whole house anti-scale filtration system> express water - reverse osmosis> then I normally bubble it overnight before PHing
So you may and may not depending on the makeup... like I say in my original post PH is not really something you can use on its own.This is a question I've been trying to get an answer to, being the high level of city lime in my tap water, not this high my tap ppms are under 100 but pH is usually 10.5, would I really need to supplement Cal, is the tap lime plant available?
Its about 20ppm coming out of RO (That 20ppm is from the alkaline stage (The 5th-9th stages are our Alkaline Filter adding 5 stages of mineralization, antioxidants, and oxygen to your water. )What's the ppm of the RO water?
I would not add any water that's been through through water softener back into the mix.
It exchanges minerals like calcium, magnesium etc for sodium.. in small does its a micro nutrient but it quickly becomes toxic at lower levels... we want to keep sodium well below 25ppm with all contributions including ferts, additives etc.
So IMO you can assume any ppm post water softener is sodium.
I’m not sure why I’m just now seeing this, but I test my water after I add nutrients. I don’t have an accurate means of measuring what comes out, as I tend to add just enough water to create a drip but never really accumulates into a puddle.Testing right after watering?
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