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Hey everyone, new to the forum and on my first grow. Running into a couple issues and trying to pin down the culprit so I can avoid this on my next grow that I just recently started.
7 plants total, 5 of which were bag seed and the instigator for starting this new hobby.. along with a couple purchased fem seeds of grape jelly and animal cookies s1 from Greenpoint.
Everything was seemingly fine until I switched over to flower and the animal cookies started going downhill fast.
By this point everyone has experienced some kind of issue, some small and others more significant.
The grow is organic and I'm using recipe 420 soil with added castings along with 4-6-2 and 4-9-3 nutrients from happy frog for veg to flower.
Given one good dose of 4-6-2 in the soil mix before repotting around 1 week prior to flower, and top dressed with the 4-9-3 about 2 wk ago, roughly 2 wk into flower. Currently on day 39-42 of flower, as I didn't mark my start date exactly.. noob mistake.
As far as I have learned from my researching, I was watering a bit much in the beginning being it was hot at the time here in AZ, so things seemingly dried up pretty quickly and I figured to err on the side of more water than less. I would wait until atleast the top 1" was dry before hitting them again.. also didnt know to have the plants in larger pots when growing organic and that may have been another part of the problem. They went into flower in 3gal pots... I repotted to a 5gal for the grape jelly and animal cookies about a week ago upon learning they needed more space for their size (36" tall roughly on those two) while the bag seed phenos are much shorter and stayed in the 3gals but are progressing well.
And lastly I realized, about a week after switching to flower, that I had been watering with a pH8.2 from the filtered tap the entire time (about 4-5 weeks of veg, plus 1 week of flower).
Diagnosis:
After switching to flower, the animal cookies pretty quickly progressed from healthy green foliage to a more yellowish hue, and then the leaves started to cup downward.. also lost most all its vigor at this point and hasn't been growing strong since. The grape jelly's leaves began to claw around the same time, but it hasn't slowed much on growth..
temps/humidity have been pretty consistent but we did have a swing of high temps for about a week here in AZ and the tent got up around the 83-84 range during the hottest two days of the heat wave.. but things were already having issues prior to that. Likely just contributed to the stress.
I began with assuming my pH was the culprit as I read a good article by growweedeasy that described many of my issues relating specifically to high pH (purple leaf stems, yellowing leaves that stayed strongly attached, crispy feeling leaves and some other random little issues), and when I tested the runoff it was measuring around 7.8-8.2 (nice dark green).
But I've watered to runoff with pH 6.2-6.6 water now 3 times over the past couple weeks with little improvement from what I can see.. the first runoff had a lot of dissolved solids though as the water dried up leaving a crusty film on the floor.. That's what led me to think more about TDS, being our tap water is pretty hard. TDS meter will be here today to get more accurate there.
But a few of the lower animal cookies leaves got even worse and are very yellow/brown now, but still stuck on strong..
When I repotted the grape jelly and animal cookies, both were quite root bound which may be a factor... But all the roots were healthy and white so I'm at a loss now.
the photos shown were taken today in the 4x4, with the last one being the start of flower in the 2x4 to show the leaf color changes.. animal cookies and grape jelly are the bottom right two of the group.
Oh yeah, and I defoliated too much going into flower as well lol. Bunch of noob mistakes.. but hopefully after this I'll know about all of em!
thank you in advance to anyone willing to read through all of this.
7 plants total, 5 of which were bag seed and the instigator for starting this new hobby.. along with a couple purchased fem seeds of grape jelly and animal cookies s1 from Greenpoint.
Everything was seemingly fine until I switched over to flower and the animal cookies started going downhill fast.
By this point everyone has experienced some kind of issue, some small and others more significant.
The grow is organic and I'm using recipe 420 soil with added castings along with 4-6-2 and 4-9-3 nutrients from happy frog for veg to flower.
Given one good dose of 4-6-2 in the soil mix before repotting around 1 week prior to flower, and top dressed with the 4-9-3 about 2 wk ago, roughly 2 wk into flower. Currently on day 39-42 of flower, as I didn't mark my start date exactly.. noob mistake.
As far as I have learned from my researching, I was watering a bit much in the beginning being it was hot at the time here in AZ, so things seemingly dried up pretty quickly and I figured to err on the side of more water than less. I would wait until atleast the top 1" was dry before hitting them again.. also didnt know to have the plants in larger pots when growing organic and that may have been another part of the problem. They went into flower in 3gal pots... I repotted to a 5gal for the grape jelly and animal cookies about a week ago upon learning they needed more space for their size (36" tall roughly on those two) while the bag seed phenos are much shorter and stayed in the 3gals but are progressing well.
And lastly I realized, about a week after switching to flower, that I had been watering with a pH8.2 from the filtered tap the entire time (about 4-5 weeks of veg, plus 1 week of flower).
Diagnosis:
After switching to flower, the animal cookies pretty quickly progressed from healthy green foliage to a more yellowish hue, and then the leaves started to cup downward.. also lost most all its vigor at this point and hasn't been growing strong since. The grape jelly's leaves began to claw around the same time, but it hasn't slowed much on growth..
temps/humidity have been pretty consistent but we did have a swing of high temps for about a week here in AZ and the tent got up around the 83-84 range during the hottest two days of the heat wave.. but things were already having issues prior to that. Likely just contributed to the stress.
I began with assuming my pH was the culprit as I read a good article by growweedeasy that described many of my issues relating specifically to high pH (purple leaf stems, yellowing leaves that stayed strongly attached, crispy feeling leaves and some other random little issues), and when I tested the runoff it was measuring around 7.8-8.2 (nice dark green).
But I've watered to runoff with pH 6.2-6.6 water now 3 times over the past couple weeks with little improvement from what I can see.. the first runoff had a lot of dissolved solids though as the water dried up leaving a crusty film on the floor.. That's what led me to think more about TDS, being our tap water is pretty hard. TDS meter will be here today to get more accurate there.
But a few of the lower animal cookies leaves got even worse and are very yellow/brown now, but still stuck on strong..
When I repotted the grape jelly and animal cookies, both were quite root bound which may be a factor... But all the roots were healthy and white so I'm at a loss now.
the photos shown were taken today in the 4x4, with the last one being the start of flower in the 2x4 to show the leaf color changes.. animal cookies and grape jelly are the bottom right two of the group.
Oh yeah, and I defoliated too much going into flower as well lol. Bunch of noob mistakes.. but hopefully after this I'll know about all of em!
thank you in advance to anyone willing to read through all of this.
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