Plant hormones and growth regulators

[dextr0]

Here we go again folks. Again as I study I post findings, so If u have somthing to add or a mistake please post. I am also here to learn.

Wanted to talk about chitosan as Ive found a little interest lately, and of course from being around have did a little studying myself. So lets see what exactly chitosan is and how I can use it in my garden.

Here is what wikipidia says:

Chitosan (ˈkaɪtɵsæn) is a linear polysaccharide composed of randomly distributed β-(1-4)-linked D-glucosamine (deacetylated unit) and N-acetyl-D-glucosamine (acetylated unit). It has a number of commercial and possible biomedical uses.

Manufacture and properties

Chitosan is produced commercially by deacetylation of chitin , which is the structural element in the exoskeleton of crustaceans (crabs, shrimp, etc.) and cell walls of fungi. The degree of deacetylation (%DD) can be determined by NMR spectroscopy, and the %DD in commercial chitosans is in the range 60-100 %. On average, the molecular weight of commercially produced chitosan is between 3800 to 20,000 daltons. A common method for the synthesis of chitosan is the deacetylation of chitin using sodium hydroxide in excess as a reagent and water as a solvent. This reaction pathway, when allowed to go to completion (complete deacetylation) yields up to 98% product.


The amino group in chitosan has a pKa value of ~6.5, which leads to a protonation in acidic to neutral solution with a charge density dependent on pH and the %DA-value. This makes chitosan water soluble and a bioadhesive which readily binds to negatively charged surfaces such as mucosal membranes. Chitosan enhances the transport of polar drugs across epithelial surfaces, and is biocompatible and biodegradable. Purified qualities of chitosans are available for biomedical applications.

Agricultural and horticultural use
Natural biocontrol and elicitor

In agriculture, chitosan is used primarily as a natural seed treatment and plant growth enhancer, and as a ecologically friendly biopesticide substance that boosts the innate ability of plants to defend themselves against fungal infections. The natural biocontrol active ingredients, chitin/chitosan, are found in the shells of crustaceans, such as lobsters, crabs, and shrimp, and many other organisms, including insects and fungi. It is one of the most abundant biodegradable materials in the world. Degraded molecules of chitin/chitosan exist in soil and water. Chitosan applications for plants and crops are regulated by the EPA, and the USDA National Organic Program regulates its use on organic certified farms and crops. EPA approved biodegradable chitosan products are allowed for use outdoors and indoors on plants and crops grown commercially and by consumers. The natural biocontrol ability of chitosan should not be confused with the effects of fertilizers or pesticides upon plants or the environment. Chitosan active biopesticides represent a new tier of cost effective biological control of crops for agriculture and horticulture. The biocontrol mode of action of chitosan elicits natural innate defense responses within plant to resist insects, pathogens, and soil-borne diseases when applied to foliage or the soil. Chitosan increases photosynthesis, promotes and enhances plant growth, stimulates nutrient uptake, increases germination and sprouting, and boosts plant vigor. When used as seed treatment or seed coating on cotton, corn, seed potatoes, soybeans, sugar beets, tomatoes, wheat and many other seeds, it elicits an innate immunity response in developing roots which destroys parasitic cyst nematodes without harming beneficial nematodes and organisms. Agricultural applications of chitosan can reduce environmental stress due to drought and soil deficiencies, strengthen seed vitality, improve stand quality, increase yields, and reduce fruit decay of vegetables, fruits and citrus crops life of cut flowers and Christmas trees. The US Forest Service has conducted research on chitosan to control pathogens in pine trees. and chitosan's ability to increase pine tree resin pitch outflow by 40% to resist pine beetle infestation.

Chitosan has a rich history of being researched for applications in agriculture and horticulture dating back to the 1980s. By 1989, Bentech Labs patented chitosan salt solutions applied to crops for improved freeze protection or to crop seed for seed priming. Shortly thereafter, Bentech's chitosan salt received the first ever biopesticide label from the EPA. Numerous other chitosan patents for plants soon followed. Chitosan applications to protect plants have been used in space as well. NASA first flew a chitosan experiment to protect adzuki beans grown aboard the space shuttle and Mir space station in 1997. NASA results revealed chitosan induces increased growth (biomass) and pathogen resistance due to elevated levels of beta 1-3 glucanase enzymes within plant cells. NASA confirmed chitosan elicits the same effect in plants on earth. Over 20 years of R&D by DuPont/ConAgra Ventures (DCV) and AgriHouse Inc have gone into developing non-toxic low molecular weight chitosan polymer solutions safe enough for broad spectrum agricultural and horticultural use. In 2008, AgriHouse Inc, Denver (Berthoud), Colorado, was granted EPA natural broad spectrum elicitor status for YEA! Yield Enhancing Agent, a liquid solution containing an ultra low molecular active ingredient of 0.25% chitosan. YEA! is a next generation natural chitosan elicitor solution for agriculture and horticultural uses, and was granted an amended label for foliar and irrigation applications by the EPA in June, 2009. A milliliter of YEA! contains over 14.4 X 10¹³ bioactive low molecular weight chitosan molecules, and it is 600 times more effective than common chitosan. Given its low potential for toxicity and its abundance in the natural environment, chitosan does not harm people, pets, wildlife, or the environment when used according to label directions. Agricultural chitosan facts are located on USDA and EPA web sites.

The US Forest Service tested chitosan as an eco-friendly biopesticide, to pre-arm pine trees to defend themselves against mountain pine beetle.

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Sustainable chitin extraction and chitosan modification for application in the food industry
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[dextr0]

Systematic Aquired Resistance (SAR) is an unfamiliar topic to many growers, but it is one that is of great value. If
you take the time to learn about these additives, you will be well on your way to having a garden unlike anything
you have ever experienced before. This is a discussion of the three main additives that can create a SAR effect and
act as the Natural Plant Defenders within your plants. A SAR is triggered and promoted in plants through a complex
series of reactions. This Resistance is elicited through the foliar and/or root zone application of a variety of
additives which create a phantom pathogen invasion - a sort of alarm signal is then sent throughout ALL of a plant’s
cells. This alarm heightens the natural defenses; creating defensive enzymes, antibiotics, proteinase inhibitors...in
the process it actives oxygen, increases growth hormones, increases nutrient uptake, and in general speeds up a
plant’s metabolism. This response is because the plant is preparing for an attack. . .This phantom enemy in actuality
does NO harm to the plant, and the plant in turn reaps the benefits of its razor sharp internal systems.

Chitosan
Chitosan is a plant defense booster derived through the breaking down of chitin found in shellfish and mullosks. In
general Chitosan can help improve the efficiency of a nutrient or fertilizer. Chitosan will increase the quantity, size
and shelf life of a harvest product. Chitosan is also effective at providing insect and disease control. The chitosan
molecule triggers a defence response within the plant, leading to the formation of physical and chemical barriers
against invading pathogens. Chitosan possesses a high growth stimulating efficacy combined with antifungal and
antibacterial activity of systemic character. Chitosan cause no damage to the plant whatsoever.
Chitosan inhibits the reproduction of pathogens. Once applied either via foliar spray or through watering, it provides
plant protection against fungal infection by rapid expression of a number of defense responses, including forming
structural barriers at sites of attempted fungal attacks. It also protects against insect attack by activating genes
which produce protease inhibitors. Lastly, chitosan stimulates the plants hormones responsible for root formation,
stem growth, fruit formation and development.
In addition to promoting growth and protecting against attacks, using chitosan in a garden can help to improve the
beneficial microbial activity of a growing medium. This increase in microbial activity helps in conversion of nutrients
to bio-available form. Chitosan improves the root system, allowing plants to absorb more nutrients from a medium.
We expect Chitosan to become one of the top plant health and yield products as awareness of its value grows.

Salicylic Acid
The next additive in the this new class of Natural Plant Defenders is Salicylic Acid. This specific plant molecule
has two major functions. In the first it acts as a promoter letting the entire plant know (through the use of intercellular
mechanisms) that pathogens are near. The second way in which Salicylic Acid works is as an activator. It
actually heightens the alarm signal a plant experiences. In plants, Salicylic Acid serves the function of ringing the
alarm bell when a pathogenic organism begins to invade plant tissues. A whole web of immunity-enhancing processes
unfold after the plants are exposed to Salicylic Acid - when that initial alarm is rung. A whoe range of proteins
and enzymes become activated as soon as Salicylic Acid is released and absorbed into plant cells. Salicylic Acid
also promotes DNA-binding proteins that initiate new protein synthesis.
Using Chitosan and Salicylic Acid Together
Compared to Salicylic Acid, Chitosan is slower and less effective at inducing plant cell immunity; in combination
with a well formulated Salicylic Acid solution, chitosan has compounded effects as Salicylic Acid amplifies the
“alarm” triggered by the chitosan. The most powerful products always use both of these ingredients. Scorpion juice,
from Advanced Nutrients, is an example of a product that contains both Salicylic Acid and Chitosan. These two
additives were made for eachother: Chitosan backs up the Salicylic Acid solution in perfect harmony, while it feeds
reduced carbon and nitrogen to symbiotic microbes.

Harpin Protein
The final additive we would like to discuss is the Harpin protein. Harpin, like the other SAR products on this handout,
acts by eliciting a complex natural defense mechanism in plants, analogous to a broad spectrum immune
response in animals. Harpin simultaneously enhances a plant's own growth systems and natural defense mechanisms
to ward off attacks by insects, common diseases and plant stresses.
Unlike Salicylic Acid or Chitosan, Harpin uses a protein for its main mode of action. It can be safely used in a
synergistic way with both Salicylic Acid and Chitosan. Harpin is a naturally occurring bacterial protein present in a
number of species of plant pathogenic bacteria. The first harpin protein was isolated from the bacterium Erwinia
amylovora. To sum up Harpin’s benefits: Along with its plant inducing immune system response, Harpin accelerates
plant development. It increases root and shoot biomass, early flowering, early fruit set, early fruit maturation, and
increases fruit number.
A list of our Prefered Products
Scorpion Juice - Dr. Hornby's Scorpion Juice triggers a plant's defense mechanisms by inducing a systemic
acquired resistance (SAR) in the plant cells. This acts as a vaccination for plants, which quickly build immune
responses to a diverse variety of pathogens including viruses, fungi, and bacteria. This immunity response is particularly
evident in resin producing plants which show substantial increases in resin production when the defense
mechanisms are activated. In addition, a marked increase in flower / fruit production and size as well as fragrance
is also seen. Scorpion Juice contains both Salicylic Acid and Chitosan and can be combined with Messenger (as well
as Emerald Shaman) for an even more explosive cocktail with synergistic effects.
Messenger is the Harpin Protein and elicits a SAR response in plants after being sprayed. Messenger causes a natural
reaction in the plant. It turns on your plants’ own immune system! Plants treated with Messenger are healthier
than untreated plants and have less disease, bigger root systems, more flowers / fruit. Use with Scorpion Juice!
Pirnaha has Trrichoderma Fungi which bind to the same sites on the leaf level that Powdery Mildew and other
Airbourne spores bind to. Once they are there first it is very hard for the pathogen spores to take hold!
Yellow Bottle Line (Agricultural organics Bloom line) Foliar A+B is another exceptional SAR product that combines
5 different pathways of SAR initiation with all other necessary co-factors needed for perfect integration. Apply once
every 2 weeks to illicit ideal Immune response in plants. Helps build Oil and Resin content as well!
Foliar Recipe with Scorpion Juice, Messenger, Piranha and Wet Betty:
Application Instructions:
Apply this spray evey 2 weeks.
Quart Sprayer - Mix 2 tsp of Scorpion Juice, ¼ tsp of Messenger, 1/4 gram of Piranha and
Wet Betty at ¼ gram Piranha in a quart-sized spray bottle filled with
purified (reverse osmosis) water.
Gallon Sprayer- Mix 8 tsp of Scorpion Juice, 1 tsp of Messenger, 1 gram of Piranha
and Wet Betty at 1 tsp per Gallon in a spray bottle filled with
purified (reverse osmosis) water.
This is an all around metabolism boosting, immune system building, pathogen-warding off tonic that will keep your plants
standing strong and growing faster than you have seen before. We can’t talk highly enough of this potent concoction.
Foilar Recipe for Ag. Organics Foliar A+B
Application Instructions:
Apply this spray evey 2 weeks.
Quart Sprayer - Mix 4tsp of Foliar A+B in a Quart Bottle - no wetting agent is needed.
Gallon Sprayer- Mix 16 tsp of Foliar A+B in a Gallon - no wetting agent is needed.

 

[Udyana Peace]

dextr0

For several decades going back to the late 19th Century, farmers used willow shoots for rooting cuttings by soaking them in water for several days. The active agent here is Salicylic Acid. So besides the SAR factors you also achieve increased root mass from this compound.

Aloe Vera is also high in Salicylic Acid - higher than even willow shoots and definitely easier to source - like in every health food operation in the USA. It is also extremely high in polysaccharides that is important to the health of the soil and ultimately the plant.

Chitin is found in crab, shrimp and lobster shells and it is Chitin which is the base of Chitosan. Adding both neem or karanja meals along with one of these shell amendments will give your soil the necessary tools to completely eradicate fungus gnats and other pests.

A good way to apply aloe vera both as a foliar amendment as well as applying to your soil is to add the appropriate amount of a kelp/seaweed extract which will give you a wide range of PGRs, auxins, et al. at a cheap price. If you added a legitimate liquid 'fulvic acid' product then this will move the process along rather quickly.

Fulvic acid is derived from humic acid sources. Humic acid molecules are too large to enter the plant's vascular system and remain in the soil where they belong. Fulvic acid molecules are small enough to accomplish this feat and because of the number of ionic exchange sites it contains it can exchange its Hydrogen (H) cations with the mineral cations that move with the fulvic acid molecules into the plant via the roots and/or the leaves (foliar application).

Fulvic acid is the component of legitimate humic acid extractions which accomplish much of the chelating processes required to make micro-nutrients available and once in the plant's internal structure fulvic acid triggers various DNA responses in the plant = increased nutrient uptake.

My 'fix it mix' component consists of equal amounts (by volume) of kelp meal, crab meal and neem seed meal. I add 2 cups of this mix to 1 c.f. of the potting soil mix I make up.

Good info from your links!!

UP

 

[shaggyballs]

bump for a good thread

 

[click80]

dextr0

For several decades going back to the late 19th Century, farmers used willow shoots for rooting cuttings by soaking them in water for several days. The active agent here is Salicylic Acid. So besides the SAR factors you also achieve increased root mass from this compound.

Aloe Vera is also high in Salicylic Acid - higher than even willow shoots and definitely easier to source - like in every health food operation in the USA. It is also extremely high in polysaccharides that is important to the health of the soil and ultimately the plant.

Chitin is found in crab, shrimp and lobster shells and it is Chitin which is the base of Chitosan. Adding both neem or karanja meals along with one of these shell amendments will give your soil the necessary tools to completely eradicate fungus gnats and other pests.

A good way to apply aloe vera both as a foliar amendment as well as applying to your soil is to add the appropriate amount of a kelp/seaweed extract which will give you a wide range of PGRs, auxins, et al. at a cheap price. If you added a legitimate liquid 'fulvic acid' product then this will move the process along rather quickly.

Fulvic acid is derived from humic acid sources. Humic acid molecules are too large to enter the plant's vascular system and remain in the soil where they belong. Fulvic acid molecules are small enough to accomplish this feat and because of the number of ionic exchange sites it contains it can exchange its Hydrogen (H) cations with the mineral cations that move with the fulvic acid molecules into the plant via the roots and/or the leaves (foliar application).

Fulvic acid is the component of legitimate humic acid extractions which accomplish much of the chelating processes required to make micro-nutrients available and once in the plant's internal structure fulvic acid triggers various DNA responses in the plant = increased nutrient uptake.

My 'fix it mix' component consists of equal amounts (by volume) of kelp meal, crab meal and neem seed meal. I add 2 cups of this mix to 1 c.f. of the potting soil mix I make up.

Good info from your links!!

UP

You might want to look into Insect Frass as one more component to add. Insect Frass (tradename) is insect waste products but are water soluble. Other (organic) chitin sources are calcified and are not water soluble. I have had great results since adding it into my soil mix and also watering with it weekly during flower. Frass also has a great nutrient profile, both macro and micro.

 

[shaggyballs]

lets talk more about hormones!

 

[click80]

Just a heads up on something new I will be trying. This thread caught my attention based upon the list of hormones which can be beneficial. DISCLAIMER: I have no association with this company or product but will be trying it in my next soil run.


Liquid VermaPlex® Soil Inoculant
VermaPlex® is a concentrated all natural microbial soil amendment as well as a plant probiotic liquid, designed to enhance plant growth, flowering and fruit production. VermaPlex® is also a soil inoculant, and because it is made from natural products, it is safe for the consumer and environment.
VermaPlex® is derived from pure Black Castings™ and contains liquid humate, soluble sea kelp, and other natural ingredients.
VermaPlex® contains:

• hormones (such as cytokines and auxins),
• vitamins,
• enzymes,
• useful microbes (such as heterotrophic bacteria, fungi, actinomycetes, nitrogen fixers, and phosphate stabilizers), and
• micronutrients (soluble nutrients) that are readily available to plants and disease suppressing organisms

The microbes contained in VermaPlex®:

• • consume the food that plants put out (exudates from leaves and roots increase the disease suppressive bacteria and fungi properties of VermaPlex®, eliminating the food source for disease causing organisms),
  • may consume disease causing organisms, occupy the space around a plant or may compete for the food source at an infection site,
  • produce compounds that inhibit growth of disease causing organisms,
  • retain nutrients in the soil around plants so additional fertilizer may not be needed (which might otherwise leach into ground water),
  • make nutrients available to plants at rates plants require,
  • detoxify soil and water to promote aerobic conditions, and
  • build soil structure that allows water and air to reach root systems (well aerated and moisture holding soils result in healthier plants that require less water).

https://www.vermitechnology.com/index.php?ukey=auxpage_19

(Link to prices at bottom, including all types of soil amendments; Leonardite, Humates, Fuvlic Acids, Coral Calcium, Worms, Worm Castings, etc)

I know about this company.

I tried unsuccessfully to get someone on the phone to explain how they are able to encapsulate a worm casting with calcium without destroying the microbiological effects. I looked at their price page and it's ridiculous. I mean he might have some awesome shit, but it's overpriced and the company uses to much bullshit instead of worm shit.

If you really want some good no hype or bullshit information go to www.microbeorganics.com Tim in an expert on compost teas and I think everyone agrees that he is a very honest guy.

For example, three products that he recommends I will not grow without now. One is a fish fertilizer that's 10x more effective than any other I have found, another is a brand of Peat and another is about a company he at first thought were ripoffs. Or at least he had doubts about. Anyway its about a company called TerraCycle who sell worm tea plus a bunch of stuff made from plastic bottles retrieved from the ocean and landfills. He got ahold of some and decided to test it for the hell of it, I think he said he didn't believe they could bottle it up and it would retain much life or value. Anyway, he got ahold of some, took a sample and diluted it and found out, much to his surprise that even after being in a two liter plastic bottle the microbes came to life and in a big way.

So, I bought a case of this stuff, it's cheap, and it's the best fucking tea amendment I have ever come across.

Two Princeton students started the company, and they recycle plastic bottles of all types and make them into all kinds of shit. I don't know where they got involved in worm shit and really don't care except as far as they have a great product and my teas are much more beneficial than before. My fertilizer requirements/expenditures were cut in half.

 

[click80]

It wasn't a question. It was sarcasm. Sorry if all this is going to come across harsh but you are looking for the easy path and there isn't one. If you want to use growth regulators why not go ahead and get the real deal? You should see the learning curve on that shit. You will have females with beautiful buds one day and then half will have male flowers overnight. There are no get rich quick schemes man. This shit is hard work and you have to take the time to do some research. What did you expect worm shit to do? Give you an extra 45% yield? If that were true don't you think more people would do that than spend $500 bucks for a CO2 system?

So, just so you don't flame me back that I am just a hater here is the evidence.

They quote that calcium carbonate bullshit out a research paper from 1935 dude. The link is at the end of this paragraph. The Calciferous gland in worms has long been known but they didn't really know what the fuck it was for and it seems that some researchers are still in awe of the gland. They named it a calciferous gland because it excreted a milky substance and preliminary (prehistoric) testing identified CaCO or so they thought. The method was also faulty because......well it was 1935. You can read it yourself. It's word for word what they have on their site.

Now however we have much more recent papers, like after we discovered DNA, MRna, TRna....and enzymes, sterols, alcohols and metabolic designs of our natural world. The calciferous glands are no more than metabolic stabilizers and worms do the same thing as all other invertebrate worms do, and in a differernt way the same thing we humans do........we eat, we shit. If we are taking in a lot of calcium that week then we will shit out more calcium than we took in, it's called metabolic balancing and worms do the same thing.


You see here is another thing you probably don't know. Worm farms were part of a many Ponzi schemes at one time. Just Google it although here is one link on me.

So these people that want you to pay to ship Worm Shit are nothing better in my opinion. Now I am sure you will get worm shit, but it ain't no better than what you could have sourced locally to support your local economy. Even if you just bought some from the local Home Depot or whatever. I don't know of anywhere that doesn't have worm farmers. They are everywhere.

Here's something that is more recent. 2007
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0038071707003872
Since they were first described in 1829, earthworm calciferous glands have intrigued invertebrate anatomists and physiologists alike. These organs are present in all species of the family Lumbricidae, occurring in a range of morphological forms. A common feature of the glands is that constituent secretory cells produce a concentrated suspension of calcium carbonate. A number of possible biological roles have been suggested for the secretion (i.e. egg formation, pH buffering of the blood and ingested food, excretion and respiration) but the true function has not yet been demonstrated satisfactorily. Here, we investigated the putative respiratory function of these organs by exposing the worms to 13C-labelled CO2 and glucose and measuring tracer incorporation into the body wall, the gland tissues and the calcareous secretion. Our results support the view that these organs provide a mechanism of CO2 regulation in their tissues and that both environmental and metabolic CO2 can be fixed in this way.

 

[click80]

Btw, worm castings are covered in a substance that has polysaccharides, some enzymes, and other odds and ends and it's called mucus. Sort of like what covers "human casts" (or turds) if you are healthy that is.

 

[squiggly]

Gotta be careful with regimens heavy on PGRs these days, especially if your product is bound for medical.

PGRs are contraindicated for immunocompromised individuals--which many patients, of course, are.

For this reason analytical testing is beginning to look for these compounds in bud and extracts--as they present a hazard to some individuals.

Before the story of MJ business is written and done, we will see increased regulation of the product--even for recreational means--which will in all likelihood nix quite a few of these PGRs for the purposes of cultivation.

I believe PGRs are already disallowed for the medical programs in some states.

This might work for now, but I caution you to be ready to pivot when the time comes to discontinue use--and that perhaps working to optimize without PGRs may put you ahead of the pack when that time does come (and it very much will).

I actually attended an ACS webinar today which addressed this, among other concerns in the analytical community around cannabis.

 

[aucado54]

good stuff !

 

[caveman4.20]

Maybe this can be a control plant for 100% natural hormones from plant itself

This plant was and is growing in recycled soil with no additives no amendment s 100% organic well water only plant grown in southern window

 

[click80]

Dude my only point was to point out that you are promoting what is in my opinion a shit product...lol.....just an overpriced shit product. Plus you look like a shill. Even more so now.

As long as someone reads my post and takes a minute to step back and do a little more research they will realize this place is a ripoff.

Worm castings are not encapsulated in calcium. They are covered in a mucus like substance and that information is easy to find. I already provided the information.

The plant hormones in this blend are coming from the Kelp. Worm Castings do not contain hormones AS FAR AS I KNOW, the only people that claim they do seem to be the people selling them. I might not like that but they all seem to do it, even the good companies. Like the one I use. My understanding is that EWC (earthworm castings) do however enable the microorganisms in the castings and in the soil to help form a microbial balance with the plants roots (rhizosphere) which enables the plant to activate and produce it's own auxins, cytokins and hormones and the EWC will also stimulate the microherd to propagate and release enzymes and other cool stuff into the rhizosphere and this in turn will feed the upper level microorganisms all the way up to the protists, ciliates, soil mites, springtails.....and all this is called the soil food web and has been around for millions of years. No company is going to make a worm do anything different, such as shit out a calcium encapsulated turd. So if they are lying about one thing......just saying :) There might be calcium in the coating but it's the same coating that every worm coats their turds in. You dimwit.

Worm casting tea is great for your plants and its about all I use. Why did you think I was not into plant teas? Go look at my posts. I have been making teas for over 2 years now.

This company is not producing anything you cannot source locally. Why do I think you are not sourcing locally because you said you were ordering from these ripoffs.

As far as the Ponzi scheme thing I should not have put that in there as it took away from my main point that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground about organics. But it is the truth that there were hundreds of such companies and they bilked thousands of people out of their money. You quoted on sentence and didn't continue on and include that none of the companies running the worm company Ponzi schemes ever came back more than once or twice and purchased eggs, worms, or castings. A lot of these people are still in the worm business from both sides. Have you looked at the price of worm castings? It's still a little bit of a ripoff since raising worms is virtually cost free for someone with a little ingenuity.


So there you go, I think you are an idiot for buying anything from this company, I think this company uses semantics and word play to make you think they have a superior product when they do not. It's just worm tea and Kelp.

Big whoop. Like that's a new idea. Duh.

OH, AND I STILL THINK YOU LOOK LIKE A SHILL NEW GUY WITH ONLY 8 POSTS FOUR OF WHICH IS ABOUT THIS RIPOFF COMPANY

 

[aucado54]

Rock on Click !

 

[d0rk2dafullest]

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i want to know if i can throw in a little bit of rooting hormone into my feed in veg. to increase rooting? So. if i added some bontone rooting powder....will it help in exploding roots ???? I already use ACT. But jw if it makes any sense to throw in rooting hormones into my feed to help accelerate root explosion!?

 

[shaggyballs]

I would like to see some scientific paperwork on this subject or I gotta call BS.
Paperwork is proof, talk is cheap!
Not sayin' it is not true.
Just sayin' show me!
Shag

 

[shaggyballs]

Shaggy:

If your post was directed at me, feel free to commnet on the references i provided about plant growth hormones being contained in Worm Castings.

Happy Oganic Farming to those that can appreciate someone trying to contribute to organics!!!!

PS I could give two shits (pun intended) about where someone sources worm castings or other organic soil amendments or fertilizers from.

Yes, that was directed at you, and thank you so much for the references.
I will study them, seems real interesting, I had never heard of such a thing, so I called BS......Looks like I may be eating some, but I gotta read before I eat.
Thanks again
Shag

 

[shaggyballs]

Hell, thank's man!.......gotta be open minded.
shag