Plants wilting an has rust spots plz help with diagnosis

[SlyBoy420]

So this is my 3rd year growing and I've never had or seen this issue. Two days ago there were no spots or wilting. The roots seem to look healthy all white and stuff. This is all happening so fast that I'm worried I'm gonna lose all of them. Any one with suggestions I'm all ears thanks.

 

[1diesel1]

Overwatering?
Bugs?
Nutrient deficiency?
Soil consistency?
Temp?
Humidity?
a lot more info needed to diagnose your deficiency:)

 

[BigBlonde]

I'm not sure but it looks familiar. More information, please. Have you checked for pests? Especially under the leaves?

 

[SlyBoy420]

So this is my 3rd year growing and I've never had or seen this issue. Two days ago there were no spots or wilting. The roots seem to look healthy all white and stuff. This is all happening so fast that I'm worried I'm gonna lose all of them. Any one with suggestions I'm all ears thanks. View attachment 1983439View attachment 1983440View attachment 1983441View attachment 1983442

This other pic is basically how they all looked a couple days ago. I've got 33 plants not sexed yet and they all are showing the same symptoms.

Overwatering?
Bugs?
Nutrient deficiency?
Soil consistency?
Temp?
Humidity?
a lot more info needed to diagnose your deficiency:)

They are out doors I don't have tools to measure soil and what not but here in Indiana it's not humid yet no bugs that I can visually see temps been close to fiftys most nights days have been 60s an low 70s. I'm using happy frog potting soil for all the plants same. I'm doin everything the same as the last two years and the plants did great for the most part. Does that info help narrow things down by chance?

 

[SlyBoy420]

I'm not sure but it looks familiar. More information, please. Have you checked for pests? Especially under the leaves?

Yes I checked for pest and I can't seem to find anything looking like pest. I checked thru the web for possibilities but also with more info it could be multiple things

 

[BigBlonde]

with more info it could be multiple things

That's usually the challenge.

A better picture of the leaves with the problem would be helpful. Maybe you could try cutting off a leaf and putting it on a piece of white paper when you take the picture.

 

[SlyBoy420]

That's usually the challenge.

A better picture of the leaves with the problem would be helpful. Maybe you could try cutting off a leaf and putting it on a piece of white paper when you take the picture.

My cell isn't the greatest for pics thanks is bout as good as I can get

That's usually the challenge.

A better picture of the leaves with the problem would be helpful. Maybe you could try cutting off a leaf and putting it on a piece of white paper when you take the picture.

I grew this mainlined plant my very first time with no plant health problems and I used all the same products outdoors so seeing all my plants looking like they are almost finished has me stressed out so I'm happy with any advice thanks for the help so far.

 

[Imzzaudae]

Hello and welcome to the forum.
Your plants are way under potted. They need to be in great big pots as soon as you can. Minimum 5 gallon. 15 gallon would be better.
Water them in with something like Pro-Mix 5-15 5.
If you are growing them in soil. Mix 1/2 cup of bone meal into the soil of each pot before transplanting.
Fill the pot up to 1/2 inch from the top pressed down a bit. Spread the bone meal on the top and rake it in 1 -2 inches deep.

Transplant into the pots. and water well with 5-15-5 to get the roots going. They should green up a bit as well.

If growing in soil, I'd suggest you also add mineral solution. 1 Gallon jug wood ash to a 5 gallon bucket of water.

Add 2 cups of solution to a gallon of water once a week along with Cal Mag and Fertilizer.

The way the leaves are canoeing is caused but light stress. Light is to hot or to close to the plants!
These plants are a very light green. This is hunger for nitrogen. The 5 15-5 will get the roots going and give them a little Nitrogen. A week after transplanting deep water with 1/2 strength once a week with Promix 12-6-6 for 30 days. Then full strength once a week.

It's a good all around fertilizer for Veg.

The spots on the leaves are Calcium deficiency. After Transplanting Water them in with some calcium along with the 5-15-5. Don't over do it. Just a little as the Bone Meal will soon be providing most of the calcium your plant requires. If you happen to have a little Cal-Mag you need to give them a little. 1/2 TSP pr gallon once a week for rest of the grow. So Mix 1/2 TSP of Cal Mag in a 1 gallon of water. Add 2 ozs 5-15 -5 to gallon water and deep water ASAP. This will get them going.

Next Week: Begin with 1/2 TSP of Cal- Mag in a gallon of Water. Add 1/2 TSP 12-6-6 once a week for 4 weeks.
Week 5 mix 1/2 TSP Cal-Mag in 1 Gallon of Water and add 1 TSP 12-6-6 once a week until you see buds forming about the 3rd week of July.
Then switch to 1/2 tsp Cal-Mag in a watering can of water. Add 1/4 Cup 5-15-5 per watering can once a week. The rest of the time just water when needed..

This will also work in potting soil. But you need to watch the PH of your water so you don't have lockout problems. Use Rain water if you can.
If you are using potting mix. Don't use the Bone Meal as described. Up the Cal=Mag after budding starts to 1 TSP pr gallon mix in your fertilize.
This should fix you right up.

 

[BigBlonde]

My cell isn't the greatest for pics thanks is bout as good as I can get

The camera is not within its focal range. Try holding it farther away from the leaf. The image can be cropped smaller, if necessary.

@lmzzaudae is right. The plants need to be in bigger pots. The problem could be due to the roots being too wet. Some of the leaves look like that could be part of the problem. I can't see the spots well enough, however.

 

[Imzzaudae]

I was thinking that the spots may be a sap sucking bug. It's hard to say. You could play it safe and give the plant a spray with insecticidal soap. Just to be on the safe side. It's going to need the Calcium and Magnesium ether way.

 

[Jmaes Mabley]

Theres usually 3-4 reasons you get those rust spots.

Rust Fungus, and Calcium and Magneuim deficiency. Any of the last 2 could also be caused by fucked up PH, if you are supplying them with calcium, and magnesium, in enough of a quantity.

I also agree they need to be up-potted as soon as possible Those small containers also may be getting hot if in the sun, and may also cause heat stress/leaf tacoing.

Im betting on a Calcium Deficiency.

This is a photo of calcium deficiency.

 

[Itscheese94]

If Planting in the ground again why not try that the big Plant above looks great

 

[Imzzaudae]

It's lack of calcium without question as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Itscheese94]

With you bud just maybe will get access to this better when in ground just a suggestion

 

[SlyBoy420]

We think we may have found an unlikely calprit. We hooked our garden house a bunch of green stuff came out then ran clear but EVERYTHING we watered with the said house has the spots strawberries tomatoes cucumbers etc. We used the hose the pump out ground water but I don't think that would effect anything

 

[SlyBoy420]

Hello and welcome to the forum.
Your plants are way under potted. They need to be in great big pots as soon as you can. Minimum 5 gallon. 15 gallon would be better.
Water them in with something like Pro-Mix 5-15 5.
If you are growing them in soil. Mix 1/2 cup of bone meal into the soil of each pot before transplanting.
Fill the pot up to 1/2 inch from the top pressed down a bit. Spread the bone meal on the top and rake it in 1 -2 inches deep.

Transplant into the pots. and water well with 5-15-5 to get the roots going. They should green up a bit as well.

If growing in soil, I'd suggest you also add mineral solution. 1 Gallon jug wood ash to a 5 gallon bucket of water.

Add 2 cups of solution to a gallon of water once a week along with Cal Mag and Fertilizer.

The way the leaves are canoeing is caused but light stress. Light is to hot or to close to the plants!
These plants are a very light green. This is hunger for nitrogen. The 5 15-5 will get the roots going and give them a little Nitrogen. A week after transplanting deep water with 1/2 strength once a week with Promix 12-6-6 for 30 days. Then full strength once a week.

View attachment 1983471
It's a good all around fertilizer for Veg.

The spots on the leaves are Calcium deficiency. After Transplanting Water them in with some calcium along with the 5-15-5. Don't over do it. Just a little as the Bone Meal will soon be providing most of the calcium your plant requires. If you happen to have a little Cal-Mag you need to give them a little. 1/2 TSP pr gallon once a week for rest of the grow. So Mix 1/2 TSP of Cal Mag in a 1 gallon of water. Add 2 ozs 5-15 -5 to gallon water and deep water ASAP. This will get them going.

Next Week: Begin with 1/2 TSP of Cal- Mag in a gallon of Water. Add 1/2 TSP 12-6-6 once a week for 4 weeks.
Week 5 mix 1/2 TSP Cal-Mag in 1 Gallon of Water and add 1 TSP 12-6-6 once a week until you see buds forming about the 3rd week of July.
Then switch to 1/2 tsp Cal-Mag in a watering can of water. Add 1/4 Cup 5-15-5 per watering can once a week. The rest of the time just water when needed..

This will also work in potting soil. But you need to watch the PH of your water so you don't have lockout problems. Use Rain water if you can.
If you are using potting mix. Don't use the Bone Meal as described. Up the Cal=Mag after budding starts to 1 TSP pr gallon mix in your fertilize.
This should fix you right up.

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. It was very informative I went ahead and upsized and fed them I'm hopeful most of them will pull through.

 

[SlyBoy420]

If Planting in the ground again why not try that the big Plant above looks great

I actually grew that big girl in five gallons of coco I put in the ground and I watered with fox farm liquid products.